Any interest? Savage "Bush Carbine"
- Thread starter CanAm
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MBP, Is there another regulation I'm missing here?
As I read in the crminal code that I linked, only semi-automatic center fire rifle barrels need be over 18.5" to stay non-restricted. It didn't say anything about factory or DIY. I know shotgun barrels can not be chopped below 18.5", but I'm not aware of any similar regulations for rifles. This maybe where some confusion comes in. AFAIK you could chop your bolt action rifle barrel down to 1" (an extreme example) and as long as it still made 26" overall length it is non-restricted.
I think this is what you are looking for:
Prohibited firearm
* a handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less;
* a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition;
* a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;
* a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
* an automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm;
* any firearm prescribed as prohibited.
Prohibited firearm
* a handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less;
* a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition;
* a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;
* a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
* an automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm;
* any firearm prescribed as prohibited.
manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Somewhere in the Third World
for those that want a Stevens 200 with an 18.5" barrel, why not just buy one and have your gunsmith cut/crown? theres no need for a 'special run' of them... they wouldnt be very special, heh.
unfortunately this is incorrect. if you cut a rifle barrel below 18" youve created a prohibited weapon. if you installed a factory made 16" barrel (or whatever short length), or your gun came from the factory with a 16" barrel it would still be non-restricted as long as it cannot be fired with an OAL of less than 26".
MBP, Is there another regulation I'm missing here?
unfortunately this is incorrect. if you cut a rifle barrel below 18" youve created a prohibited weapon. if you installed a factory made 16" barrel (or whatever short length), or your gun came from the factory with a 16" barrel it would still be non-restricted as long as it cannot be fired with an OAL of less than 26".
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- Kamloops, BC
Ditto on the short barrel. Would be a must have for me if it was short. Like having that sort of fun stuff that others can't easily copy.
"I'd make it 16.5" so if you go across the border, there's no chance of confusion."
Confusion
Over whether the barrel is bang on 16" or slightly shorter. A little leeway could save some hassle.
399 for a stevens with an 18.5 barrel really isnt a deal unless it came with irons value wise.
it isnt a special run if it has nothing that makes it special so a 16.5 would make it "special" and 18.5 would not be special.
Even if it had irons on it it would still be something that anyone can get or do.
it isnt a special run if it has nothing that makes it special so a 16.5 would make it "special" and 18.5 would not be special.
Even if it had irons on it it would still be something that anyone can get or do.
manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Somewhere in the Third World
personally, i could really care less about an 18.5" Stevens 200. for ~$350 you could buy a Marlin XS7 in the chambering of your choice and have it cut/crowned by your gunsmith to whatever length/crown you specify for another $50-100 - and the crown would probably be better done than at the factory.
if CanAm is having these configured at the factory, then he has the opportunity to make something both unique and that offers a lot of extra value for the customer (since the cost of items such as iron sights on a factory config would be much lower than aftermarket sights+gunsmithing). there are certain features you just cant get on inexpensive Savages/Stevens like sub-18.5" barrels, factory iron sights, etc.
it would be a tragedy to waste a special run on an 18.5" Stevens 200, regardless of how its coated.
That is why I am asking.
Canadian Bob
New member
Brush Gun
I think most of us are agreed on a "short barrel" in 308 ... whether that is 16.5 or 18 would likely not ruin the deal . The sights may well be a moot point since most of us would adapt with either iron sights , scopes or red-dots as we see fit. The calibre ? ..308 for sure . The gun ? Both are great rifles , and since the Stevens is the less costly of the two , likely the best bet. I don,t see how a "factory run" on such a firearm could lose. I'm certainly in for one !
I think most of us are agreed on a "short barrel" in 308 ... whether that is 16.5 or 18 would likely not ruin the deal . The sights may well be a moot point since most of us would adapt with either iron sights , scopes or red-dots as we see fit. The calibre ? ..308 for sure . The gun ? Both are great rifles , and since the Stevens is the less costly of the two , likely the best bet. I don,t see how a "factory run" on such a firearm could lose. I'm certainly in for one !
manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Somewhere in the Third World
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it would by no means ruin the deal, i am just saying that between the 16.5 and 18.5" models, one of them offers a configuration that is just not available in other factory offerings, nor can you have it done via gunsmithing - so it would offer some added value and appeal to the customer. Can-Am would be the only retailer in Canada offering 16.5" barreled .308 Savages/Stevens. There are the Ruger Compacts, but these cost twice as much and do not come with iron sights, or detachable mags (if he were to go with the Savage build). they also have fewer aftermarket stock options and bedding them is a bit more complicated.
regarding the iron sights, anyone can buy a set of irons and have their gunsmith install it on whatever gun they choose.... but few people will spend this kindof money on a budget Stevens build. if added at the factory, the cost of these sights would be substantially lower than the cost of aftermarket sights+gunsmithing+refinishing, therefore again it would add a lot of additional value and appeal (provided that the iron sights were of decent quality and not some ultra low-end plastic or flip-down models.)
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Exactly.....I'd be getting the Ruger Compact if this deal was not with a 16" - 1/2" barrel. Icing on the cake for me would be a detachable mag, not the end of the world if it went to the Stevens, but my preference would be the Savage.
