Desert Tactical Arms Stealth Recon Scout .338LM
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The scenars seem to have a very thick jacket but maybe softer. They seem to shoot a little more consistant than the 300MK and I think it might be do to the more uniform tip. It looks like Lapua cuts the metplate and the points them.
I can't imagine being more consistent then a 3" group I'm throwing at 1078yds with the SMKs. I'd imagine with that video, those guys weren't really going for groups and more for hits.
I've gotta make a video sometime soon and post it on Youtube.
I've gotta make a video sometime soon and post it on Youtube.
Does this say you have a 338 Lapua that consistently shoots 3" (3 inch) groups at 1078 yards??? If it does I think a definition of consistently is in order along with a full tech description of rifle, loads and conditions...Also, how many shots in the groups?
Very impressive if I understand your post correctly...
Troy you have a typo on your post you wrote 3" group. lol
ha ha ha ha ha ha that is funny
This was the case when we filmed with Wild TV for the Nightforce add. They had a camera set up about 50 or so yards from the steel we were shooting at. I had a 4 shot group measuring 3" center to center. This was 3/8" mild steel and the holes looked like drillbits had done the work. The surface was smooth except for holes through the plate.
Rick ripped through the plate with three shots from the 50 that measured about 3" outside to outside but it was tougher measuring because the three shots tore into each other. I think that was done with AMAX rounds.
The conditions couldn't have been much better that morning. Mike was with us also. I'm going to have to haul a good sized steel plate out to our site, paint it white and do the video thing. Since we shot that day, I redid my load developement thinking maybe I could tweak my load slightly and I ended up with the exact same load.
I'm all about the proof and there's no doubt we caught the proof on camera that day. I'll dig through my photos and video clips and see what I can find. A lot of the video we took was through the spotting scope which, though you can see hits on steel, it's not as clear as having the bullets smack on a white steel background with the camera up close and that's what I want to capture.
Rick ripped through the plate with three shots from the 50 that measured about 3" outside to outside but it was tougher measuring because the three shots tore into each other. I think that was done with AMAX rounds.
The conditions couldn't have been much better that morning. Mike was with us also. I'm going to have to haul a good sized steel plate out to our site, paint it white and do the video thing. Since we shot that day, I redid my load developement thinking maybe I could tweak my load slightly and I ended up with the exact same load.
I'm all about the proof and there's no doubt we caught the proof on camera that day. I'll dig through my photos and video clips and see what I can find. A lot of the video we took was through the spotting scope which, though you can see hits on steel, it's not as clear as having the bullets smack on a white steel background with the camera up close and that's what I want to capture.
I found this picture of the plate we had propped up. At the bottom left corner you can see the 4 holes that were punched into the plate. Above that, though hard to see there is a jagged tear mark in the plate which was done by 3 50cal rounds very close together. The A-Max rounds are very forgiving on steel especially if the steel has any give at all.
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It IS a nice video, but the shooting does not impress me in the least.
I concurr with Glock a maniac that hopefully these guys were just shooting for effect.
The gongs we now shoot at and connect with very regularly are 5", being 1/2 moa at the 1000 yards we place them at.
As Glock posted we have several 338s that I built that consistantly average 3" groups at 1000 yards, this has been verified on many occasions but others who have been out shooting with us.
Glock I still have the HD camera and scope I think it is again time to run more video clips!!
1078 yards is the figure from Glock with consistent 3" groups out of 338 Lapua rifles you built (several of them in fact)....As previously asked can you define "consistent" and verify how many shots are in these groups?
As indicated this is exceptional performance...
As indicated this is exceptional performance...
I found this picture of the plate we had propped up. At the bottom left corner you can see the 4 holes that were punched into the plate. Above that, though hard to see there is a jagged tear mark in the plate which was done by 3 50cal rounds very close together. The A-Max rounds are very forgiving on steel especially if the steel has any give at all.
So you shot a 3" group at 50 yards on camera?
So you shot a 3" group at 50 yards on camera?
Nice Steve. I'm impressed by your statement. I don't think I've had the pleasure of meeting you yet. Maybe someday.
I'm more than impressed by your obviously superior ability to manufacture accurate rifles, and shoot them.
I'd love to meet you!!! How about I jump on a westjet flight to Calgary or Edmonton, rent a car and come pick you up. I'll buy you lunch, take you to the range and then you can consistantly shoot some of these 1000m 3 inch groups. I'll bring my camera gear, some digital calipers and a pocket full of $100's and see what you got!!
I think in my description of the target I mentioned and you can clearly see there are 4 holes in the steel and the guys from Wild TV had up close video footage from that shooting session. I'm not sure how much more proof you really want. As for the configuration of the gun, just go onto Alberta Tactical Rifle website and find any one of the 338LM AIs for sale. I have no doubt my gun is not some sort of special one off rifle that can't be duplicated because any of the other guys that have taken delivery and followed my instruction for reloading their own ATRS 338LM AI rifles are getting the same results.
Not that long ago, a buddy and I were shooting at the same types of plate steel at 1230yds and my 338rounds were still punching through while his were denting it. Same bullets, powder, primers, brass etc. except mine had 10 more grains of powder behind it as mentioned earlier.
Steve that sounds fair to me. We've already got the 1000yds ranged out. I always welcome non-believers out to shoot with us. This isn't rocket science nor am I boasting about something that isn't possible. We've seen it again and again from serious shooters that take reloading for their custom gun just as serious. I don't want to stir up anything between your company and any other local company and if there is a chance of learning something from either company, it only strengthens the gun industry.
Ok....you tell me that lots of guys are getting the "same" results although aside from knowing they are all averaging (or at least consistently-whatever that means) getting 3" groups at 1078 yards with these rifles I know nothing else. I will assume these are 5 shot groups as this is generally considered the minimum round count to be statistically relevant.
This is approximately 3/8moa accuracy at 1078 yards which is absolutely amazing to do on a consistent basis.
Now in all of our years of building rifles and being participants within a number of formal scientific accuracy trials involving Doppler radar we cannot make any such claims so once again you are to be commended.
Can we assume you will be competing for the USSOCM PSR contract?? Step 1 is an accuracy evaluation that does not involve Wild TV cameramen and a gnarled steel plate or your specialized handloading instructions..
So are you saying that if I'm able to do this with my gun consistently, somebody is going to pay me a significant amount of money to lay down in front of a crowd of people and perform this amazing act? Let's talk $$$. After all, money talks and though cars are my passion, there's always room for a bigger house with more guns and more garages to put them in. LOL
Ya BABY!!!
Go to www.albertatacticalrifle.com, then go to the gallery and find the picture of the bucket with a tape measure held up to it. That is a 4 shot group one of our customers took the pic of shot with his baby blue 50cal which there is also a picture of at 1000yds. Needless to say, he's a very happy customer.
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