The "real deal" in Haiti
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This has nothing to do with 'the Devil'. It has to do with a society that needed a push of the 'reset button' anyway, and if this earthquake didn't do it something else would have. If anything, maybe this will be the tipping point towards some responsibility among the survivors.
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Well said, I find it ironic that people posting in this thread with the "Canada first" attitude seem to forget that there are over 600 Canadians missing in Haiti.
I'm ashamed of my country reading some of the inhumane and blatantly ignorant comments in this thread.
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Although I don't agree with some of the points made in this discussion..............we live in a country with free speech !
People are entitled to their positions even if you disagree with them.
People are entitled to their positions even if you disagree with them.
All i can say is wow. Sadly im not shocked by the level on stupidity that i have seen in this thread. What we all need to remember is that Haitians are people who happened to be born not where we where born. If any of us where born where they where born, we would be acting just like they are. I have been to Haiti several times in the last ten years. I know some Haitians. Some are complete #######s and some are great friends. Just like people here. Haiti's problems, pre-earthquake, go back generations and are more complicated than there is bandwidth on this forum to tackle. The devil has nothing to do with anything, the french tradition is long gone. The problems at hand are overwhelming, and there is no practical solution. Any help is good help. The UN, whatever. It just makes me sick when some asswhipe from here (canada) who probably doesn't have a passport and who has never travelled outside of north america makes arrogant remarks with absolutely no concept of reality. If you cant say anything productive or intelligent dont show off your ignorance, keep it to your self until you have actually traveled, dealt with people, and have the ability to form a credible opinion. In a nutshell im telling the morons to shut the #### up.
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I don't know if this has been said yet, as I didn't read all your comments.
What really makes me worry is that haitians come from such a poor ass country; riddles with crime and poverty... like they basically live in crime; as thier everyday life. Whats to stop them from just simply taking advantage of our "liberal" ass government (in comparision to theirs)
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like, they could just rob the s**t out of EVERYONE.
Not everyone is thinking what could happen when we dump an abundance of poor uneducated (not to mention welfare sponges) into a system that simply cannot afford to sustain them.
Lets put this into perspective.
*STORY TIME KIDS*
Walking home one night in vancouver I stumble across as drug user. 100% freaking out and tripping balls. Do I take him into my own home? treat him so that he can POTENTIALLY rob me and steal my stuff; rape or kill my family; all so that he can get his next high? Do I call 911; he could die before they get there/or attack someone resulting in arrest or being shot (by a cop...or something) OR....Do I just leave him to die?
there is also potential here. He could be the opposite of the things I've stated; a normal person who's just been SCREWED by life. He doesn't want to cause you harm; he just wants your help.
What should I do?
What really makes me worry is that haitians come from such a poor ass country; riddles with crime and poverty... like they basically live in crime; as thier everyday life. Whats to stop them from just simply taking advantage of our "liberal" ass government (in comparision to theirs)
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like, they could just rob the s**t out of EVERYONE.
Not everyone is thinking what could happen when we dump an abundance of poor uneducated (not to mention welfare sponges) into a system that simply cannot afford to sustain them.
Lets put this into perspective.
*STORY TIME KIDS*
Walking home one night in vancouver I stumble across as drug user. 100% freaking out and tripping balls. Do I take him into my own home? treat him so that he can POTENTIALLY rob me and steal my stuff; rape or kill my family; all so that he can get his next high? Do I call 911; he could die before they get there/or attack someone resulting in arrest or being shot (by a cop...or something) OR....Do I just leave him to die?
there is also potential here. He could be the opposite of the things I've stated; a normal person who's just been SCREWED by life. He doesn't want to cause you harm; he just wants your help.
What should I do?
Name a country in Africa and there are millions more such people in need of your compassion. How about we let them all move here? That might at least help some bleeding heart types feel better about themsevles.
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." -- But what if all he wants is to be given a fish everyday?
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." -- But what if all he wants is to be given a fish everyday?
They tried "pushing the reset button" every few years for the past 20 years or so, and at regular intervals before that ....
First they kicked Duvalier out and installed a "democratically elected President".
When that didn't work they went thru a succession of "President" and coup d'etats until Aristide came in ....
Then they had another coup d'etat and Aristide was removed from power ....
Then the US intervened militarily and reinstated Aristide, AFAIK the US "helped" them re-write practically their entire Constitution to try to stabilize things ..... It didn't work ....
Then Haiti narrowly avoided a civil war and Aristide was exiled from the country (again).
Now it's only a matter of time before Preval proves himself just as crooked as all those whom came before him ...
How many hundreds of thousands of Haitian "expats" are there out there ? (there are somewhere in the 60 thousands right here in Canada that we know of and have the proper papers, with the <actual> number believed to be several times that). Those fines folks whom have chosen to immigrate out of there, are the very same ones that had managed to scrape together the means to lift themselves out of poverty (or were part of the "wealthy elite").
The very people whom <could> eventually lift that country out of it's current abyss, just plain aren't interested in even trying to do so ....
Remember that those people whom are now useless, have been so since the Trudeau days when he closed the "institutions", these are people that have neither the physical means nor the mental capacity to thrive on their own. And yes, some people have found this business of warehousing people quite a profitable operation, with 6 figure salaries and everything else that comes with it.
First they kicked Duvalier out and installed a "democratically elected President".
When that didn't work they went thru a succession of "President" and coup d'etats until Aristide came in ....
Then they had another coup d'etat and Aristide was removed from power ....
Then the US intervened militarily and reinstated Aristide, AFAIK the US "helped" them re-write practically their entire Constitution to try to stabilize things ..... It didn't work ....
Then Haiti narrowly avoided a civil war and Aristide was exiled from the country (again).
Now it's only a matter of time before Preval proves himself just as crooked as all those whom came before him ...
How many hundreds of thousands of Haitian "expats" are there out there ? (there are somewhere in the 60 thousands right here in Canada that we know of and have the proper papers, with the <actual> number believed to be several times that). Those fines folks whom have chosen to immigrate out of there, are the very same ones that had managed to scrape together the means to lift themselves out of poverty (or were part of the "wealthy elite").
The very people whom <could> eventually lift that country out of it's current abyss, just plain aren't interested in even trying to do so ....
Remember that those people whom are now useless, have been so since the Trudeau days when he closed the "institutions", these are people that have neither the physical means nor the mental capacity to thrive on their own. And yes, some people have found this business of warehousing people quite a profitable operation, with 6 figure salaries and everything else that comes with it.
There must be an industry that makes money off of other people's poverty. Support agencies comes to mind.
In Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, it has been reported in the media that $ 1 million dollars of government aid is spent there on a daily basis given the 100 plus "social service support agencies, aka non profit societies" that exist to help the drug addicts and mentally ill that are homeless or living in shelters in the area. Yet after all these years, these same addicts and mentally ill are still there without much improvement in their lives....similar to the situation in Haiti albeit on a much smaller scale (despite years of monetary assistance coming in from the rest of the world). Does make me think what is really going on behind the scenes....
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Oh I see, the good shall suffer the fate of the fools.
Nobody is denying the place is a hole, but you don't s**t on the entire populace just because a percentage of them are scum, sure as hell not kids that didn't chose to be born into such conditions.
Wow, I am surprised that there are so many idiots on this site. I am all for donating/helping at home but you cannot even begin to compare what has happened in Haiti to ANY conditions the poor or homeless find themselves in here. We have a massive social network and typically if you are a poor, homeless, jobless person here it has more likely been due to your own choices or actions not to the country/situation you were born into.
This is true, actually.
What one poster was doing to help out kids with the breakfast program is what the world is doing on a larger scale.Putting some words in caps isn't going to change anything either.
Stalin had a program that solved homelessness and unemployment: you work, you eat. You don't work, you go to GULAG and get 1000 calories a day while you are worked to death. Socialism, isn't it great?
Many of the "homeless" are homeless by choice, particularly the younger ones. They're having fun "dropping out" and enjoying the free breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's a heck of a lot easier than trying to pay your rent and working for $8.00 an hour.
When you can make $150. a day panhandling, tax free, and the do-gooders provide your room and board, hey, who'd work at McDonalds?Those who have substance problems should be in compulsory treatment in a rural setting, away from the disabling influences of the city, where they can grow their own food, improve their physical and mental health and learn some useful skills. And I'm not talking about work camps or prison farms, but they could also produce products to help reimburse the rest of us for helping them get themselves straightened out.
The mentally ill would also benefit from a rural setting, working with animals etc. in addition to their normal treatment.
But, we wouldn't want to actually fix these people, because they're our client base after all...
I to am blown away with some of these posts. Some people have no clue. My parents grew up in one of the poorest parts of Mexico and because of the helping hands of others were able to come to Canada and start a great life for them selves and their children (me). If it werent for a few people helping out i would be still in mexico having to make my own cloths go days on end with no food and and be doing back breaking labour. I had the opportunity when i was 14 to go back to where my parents grew up and see the conditions that they dealt with and it gave me a great sense of what can be done with just a little help from others. By the logic of some of you guys my parents should of "HELPED THEMSELVES" which was impossible at that time. These people in Haiti have it even worse. Get your heads on straight a little help can go a long way. And remember if you have the opportunity to help out and you dont then what does that make you.
I was wondering when someone was gonna pipe up with this. Its funny how France creates these festering sewers and never looks back. I guess they just don't have the time with their 4 day work weeks and efforts to bring down the rest of the world's 2nd world countries.
I think they are referring to the people living under these conditions in Canada. While people run off waving their flag of guilt and ignorance to help the needy abroad they conveniently ignore a significant and growing portion or our population that is essentially living in 3rd world conditions.
Yes efforts abroad help people but its arrogance that allows people to do these things while condemning citizens of their own country.
Yes efforts abroad help people but its arrogance that allows people to do these things while condemning citizens of their own country.
People living in "these conditions" have access to welfare as well as many other things such as food banks and shelters. If you think that for one second these people have it as bad as the people of haiti then you sir are waving a flag of ignorance.
