Questions on the Remington R-15 & R-25 restricted rifles for varmint hunting...

[TheTooner]

So what type of accuracy do you get with your mini ? Also can you purchase magazines that hold more then 5 rounds ?

It can only come with five round magazines. That rule applies to centrefire semi-autos with detachable magazines regardless of whether they are restricted or not.

But rule is applied to the magazine, not the gun. If you can find a larger magazine from something that is not semi-auto and it fits and functions on a Mini-14, there isn't a rule that forbids you using it. I have never heard of such a magazine that will work on the Mini-14 but the principle has been established by people using ten-round magazines from the LAR-15 pistol in
.223Remington/5.56mm which happen to also work in their AR-15 type rifles.

If you find a suitable magzine and decide to do this, it might be worth having a copy of a the relevant regulation with you when you use it, in case you meet a police officer who hasn't been fully briefed on this.

 

[BigGameHunter]

These rifles are false advertising. Its ridiculous that they sell this as a varmint gun, that the price went us several hundred dollars in a year and all they are is a painted lower end AR. They should make it clear that they are just paper hunters in the advertisements for them or Canada should smarten up and allow them to be used for coyote, groundhog, etc.

 

[Rickyy101]

These rifles are false advertising. Its ridiculous that they sell this as a varmint gun, that the price went us several hundred dollars in a year and all they are is a painted lower end AR. They should make it clear that they are just paper hunters in the advertisements for them or Canada should smarten up and allow them to be used for coyote, groundhog, etc.

Sounds like a very logical argument!!

 

[SandRoad]

Well, as long as there is a regulation with the force of law against firing a restricted firearm other than on an approved range, hunting varmints with it anywhere but on an approved range wouldn't constitute a legal purpose. Therefore a CFO's discretion to issue an ATT for a legal purpose wouldn't extend to issuing an ATT for not a legal purpose. The ATT is only Authority To Transport, it isn't Authority To Shoot.

Of course, of all the things I could be wrong about, this would be nice. And I'd settle for just CFOs overstepping their authority and undermining the stupid regulations.

Unfortunately hunting would be a grey area, unless it is your profession, then they can issue you a permit for a restricted for hunting.


I recently posted this on another thread.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4106815&postcount=14

 

[Gatehouse]

These rifles are false advertising. Its ridiculous that they sell this as a varmint gun, that the price went us several hundred dollars in a year and all they are is a painted lower end AR. They should make it clear that they are just paper hunters in the advertisements for them or Canada should smarten up and allow them to be used for coyote, groundhog, etc.

It's not false advertising. They are used for hunting in the Usa. Anybody who doesn't realize they are ARs and restricted in Canada just doesn't knowguns very well.

 

[350tracker]

Anybody who doesn't realize they are ARs and restricted in Canada just doesn't knowguns very well.

I guess I’m one of them. I didn’t know they were restricted till I saw it listed as restricted firearm on Epps web page...

 

[cote_b]

So what type of accuracy do you get with your mini ? Also can you purchase magazines that hold more then 5 rounds ?

Sorry, you cant have over 5 rounds in the magazine. I havent scoped mine, but its decent with the iron sights. They are nice guns though and would be much cheaper than a XCR or AR-180 and frankly I pefer the non-tacticool look for hunting. I got mine used in excellent condition, a newer 580 series one with the garand style front right for 600$.

 

[350tracker]

Do the mini’s require any work done to them after purchasing or is there any after market pieces or part that can be added to make them better in the field ?

 

[BigGameHunter]

Its just ridiculous. I have a Mini-14 which is give or take the same type of firearms (same league anyways) as a ar15(semi auto, military action, detach mag, potentially hicap mag, etc).

The Mini is Non-Restricted because it looks less harmful( not because it isn't less harmful) so it can potentially be used to shoot varmints and paper.

The AR is restricted so it is limited to punching paper and supposedly is more dangerous, yet we are able to put 10 rounds in this gun. I know its the magazine not the gun but still. We shouldn't have to always be looking for loopholes in the crappy gun system just so that we can almost enjoy the firearms what it can actually do.

What if you were to buy a Corvette and they told you that it could never come out of first gear or else you would go to jail? Exactly same thing. We trust rich people with no professional driving experience with 500+ hp but you can't trust a law abiding, responsible, trained firearms owner with more than 5 rounds?

But shouldn't because of this we be allowed to have a maximum of 10 rounds in semi autos just by default considering a gun that the government considers evil is allowed to have more rounds? Hopefully one day we will get some of our rights back. I could deal with a 10 round limit in all semi's. Even if they made it so that it would be just range use only at least you could come up with a 10 shot score with targets without having to reload.

Sorry about the morning rant I just had to say this.

 

[BigGameHunter]

It's not false advertising. They are used for hunting in the Usa. Anybody who doesn't realize they are ARs and restricted in Canada just doesn't knowguns very well.

I would say that is a pretty poor comment. It is false advertising because they inflate the price and sell it implying it a varminter and not paper puncher. They should put on the advertisement. Paper hole maker only. Otherwise the camo is not functional and the black version of that gun is much cheaper than the anodized finish is worth thus making an inflated price for the product making it false advertising.

 

[Claybuster]

I would say that is a pretty poor comment. It is false advertising because they inflate the price and sell it implying it a varminter and not paper puncher. They should put on the advertisement. Paper hole maker only. Otherwise the camo is not functional and the black version of that gun is much cheaper than the anodized finish is worth thus making an inflated price for the product making it false advertising.

When it came time for the transfer unless the prospective purchaser is profoundly stupid he would clue in that the rifle is restricted.

 

[Gatehouse]

I would say that is a pretty poor comment. It is false advertising because they inflate the price and sell it implying it a varminter and not paper puncher. They should put on the advertisement. Paper hole maker only. Otherwise the camo is not functional and the black version of that gun is much cheaper than the anodized finish is worth thus making an inflated price for the product making it false advertising.

I guess you are one of those types that need a warning sign on bridges advising you that it could be dangerous to jump off?

It is camoed and sold as a varmiter because that is what it's intended use is. The gun makers in the USA dont' make the Canadian laws that prohibit it's use as such.

Teh price is just the price. Pay it or don't pay it, that is up to the consumer.

I dont' know why this is so complicated, but then again, I'm not the type that needs information spoon fed to me.

 

[Gatehouse]

Its just ridiculous. I have a Mini-14 which is give or take the same type of firearms (same league anyways) as a ar15(semi auto, military action, detach mag, potentially hicap mag, etc).

The Mini is Non-Restricted because it looks less harmful( not because it isn't less harmful) so it can potentially be used to shoot varmints and paper.

The AR is restricted so it is limited to punching paper and supposedly is more dangerous, yet we are able to put 10 rounds in this gun. I know its the magazine not the gun but still. We shouldn't have to always be looking for loopholes in the crappy gun system just so that we can almost enjoy the firearms what it can actually do.

What if you were to buy a Corvette and they told you that it could never come out of first gear or else you would go to jail? Exactly same thing. We trust rich people with no professional driving experience with 500+ hp but you can't trust a law abiding, responsible, trained firearms owner with more than 5 rounds?

But shouldn't because of this we be allowed to have a maximum of 10 rounds in semi autos just by default considering a gun that the government considers evil is allowed to have more rounds? Hopefully one day we will get some of our rights back. I could deal with a 10 round limit in all semi's. Even if they made it so that it would be just range use only at least you could come up with a 10 shot score with targets without having to reload.

Sorry about the morning rant I just had to say this.

New to the wonderful world of gun laws?

 

[popcan]

People insist upon trying to apply logic to the laws.... a waste of time.

 

[cote_b]

Do the mini’s require any work done to them after purchasing or is there any after market pieces or part that can be added to make them better in the field ?

Nope, you can hunt with it right out of the box. If you buy it brand new, it should even come with scope rings. There are plenty of aftermarket prts you can buy though, like 5/20 and 5/30 mags, stocks, flash hiders, bayonet lugs etc. The one thing I dislike about it is the lighweight barrel, but for hunting it will be fine since you wont be dumping magazines one after another.

 

[350tracker]

I started this thread asking for a simple answer and see that it doesn't exist in the Canadian gun law world...

I've never been involved in tactical looking rifles or restricted fire arms and appreciate all those that have given good advice or directed me to other options...... As for the one member who has nothing better to do but give sarcastic remarks, well you can keep to yourself next time...

 

[BigGameHunter]

I just get upset with the gun laws and ranted. That is what a forum is for. Not personal attacks.

I know all of the gun laws, restricted especially. I am a member of a club and have an ATT so I am not new to Canadian Gun Laws its just every time I go to enjoy my firearms, there is always a tarnish to them. Not on the finish but on the overall experience of owning one thanks to the Gov't. I may have over reacted but that doesn't mean that I don't know my gun laws/rights.

I could go on and on but I don't feel like being misinterpreted any more. You guys who love to jump on people and pick them apart like vultures, why don't you use that energy to write parliament and get it so that we don't have situations like this in the future. If I can hunt with an SKS, Mini-14 or another semi-auto rifle then maybe the AR15 should be reconsidered as well. It is only going to be able to have 3 rounds in gun anyways for hunting so really there is no real reason it is like this.

I must also put this again in case you just skim my writing and don't' see. I have an RPAL, ATT, Belong to a range, have handled many types of firearms over many years. Just because I don't sit on here and wait for an opportunity to try and piss someone off doesn't mean I don't know my guns and laws. I have learned a lot on this forum but because of some responses some times you have to sift through the s**t to get to your answer.

Remember not everyone reads forums every day or a gun genius, and I guarantee certain gun laws by older folks who have not brushed up on it and newer people get into it have been overlooks/misread. I guarantee some of them get the impression that this gun could be used for hunting. Even though its restricted. I know it may be someone who is ignorant but just judging by how much people brush up on there driving laws there is definitely room for mistakes and if you take that into consideration it is a misleading advertisement for a rifle. That was the point. Not that someone on here(or myself) would but someone else easily could. If everyone had common sense they wouldn't need those signs that gatehouse was talking about or anything else that is throttled down so that everyone can understand it. Think about it.

 

[350tracker]

Thanks BGH, I appreciate your input on this subject...

 

[BigGameHunter]

No Problem

 

[Gatehouse]

Looks like I hurt some feelings.

Sorry about that. Next time I will try to be much sweeter when I point out the obvious fact that you should be aware what class a firearm is in before buying it, and that the colour of the paint has no bearing on it's classification.