CX4 Storm instead of AR....
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If you're leaning towards the CX4, you might also consider the Hi Point 995 TS Carbine (restricted & limited to 5 rnd mag) - I believe Ellwood Epps is selling them for $349 + tax.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=438235
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=443160
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interesting discussion here. I had the same question a while back and decided to buy Cx4 just because I could never understand why would anyone need restricted rifle. I still don't get it BTW.
Regarding 9mm Luger - yes it sure is anemic cartridge. One can load it up to the limit but case capacity is an isue. I have two storms now, one is in 357SIG and one in 7.62x25 chamberings, those were 40SW and 9mm Luger respectively. When compared to 223 rifles both of my storms spit much heavier projectiles at 2200fps. Imagine how long will be 223 bullet in 115gr weight and also keep in mind wound channel diameter of even unexpanded 9mm bullet - 223 quickly loses its shine. So, I guess answering original question I'd say Cx4 after rebarelling is healthy alternative to even cheapest AR clone.
Regarding 9mm Luger - yes it sure is anemic cartridge. One can load it up to the limit but case capacity is an isue. I have two storms now, one is in 357SIG and one in 7.62x25 chamberings, those were 40SW and 9mm Luger respectively. When compared to 223 rifles both of my storms spit much heavier projectiles at 2200fps. Imagine how long will be 223 bullet in 115gr weight and also keep in mind wound channel diameter of even unexpanded 9mm bullet - 223 quickly loses its shine. So, I guess answering original question I'd say Cx4 after rebarelling is healthy alternative to even cheapest AR clone.
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22lr,
Because we can would the most obvious answer (that and I like to think it does piss off a few Liberals
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Other buy them to play this or that game, like service rifle match and the likes.
Yes... but can it punch through kevlar
Because we can would the most obvious answer (that and I like to think it does piss off a few Liberals
)Other buy them to play this or that game, like service rifle match and the likes.
Yes... but can it punch through kevlar
good questions. First, 357 SIG keep on falling apart with plastic trigger group parts not being able to take such hard beating from increased recoil. I should have replaced recoil spring and replaced charge handle with ballast to reduce recoil accelerations but thats where I got lazy. I think 357SIG is pushing the upper limits for blowback system altogether. Other than that there are no overpressure signs and gun shoots so friggin reliably I will be a fool to complain.
7.62x25 mags. Well, rather "mag" (singular, no "s" at the end). Problem has been discussed here a few times and so far I tried two options. First and cheapest one was having to bulk up original tokarev magazine with two aluminium plates screwed on to each side of a magazine to match mag opening width. That, plus original Beretta's plastic mag well (insert) needed to be removed to open up the available room for much longer tokarev rounds. I cut the notch on aluminium side to mutch up beretta's notch and "new-improved" tokarev magazine worked as good as 92's. The only problem was the rake angle of tokarev grip and therefore magazine wasn't aggressive enough and rounds ended up sitting with a bit of "nose down attitude" causing occasional feeding problem. Another problem is trigger link wasn't rounding much longer tokarev magazine and had to be modified with sharper turns.
A bit more expensive in terms of time and effort was my ambitious project to fabricate 7.62x25 double stack magazine for beretta storm. I made one (will post pictures) after fiddling a little with templates and special tools - there is a lot more invioved than I originally thought. Anyways, my mag is a friggin work of a beauty, friends joke sometimes "why bother limiting mag capacity if you can make your own". I know I shoulda posted pictures but that project hasn't been finished yet. There are some problems with my magazine as well. I based my mag design on having Beretta's mag well in place, just opened up to 45 caliber mag length. That turned out to be not enough to accomodate magazine of original tokarev's round OAL. I sort of put my bets on my reloaded 7.62x25 with 0.32 caliber jacketed bullets re-sized to 7.62 and seated a little deeper. Reason was much wider choice of hunting type (SP or HP) bullets available. Anyways, if I made another choice from the beginning I'd be selling my Cx4 tokatev magazines by now.
Say, changing Cx4 9mm Luger into 7.62x25 is not an easy task. Changing 40SW into 357SIG on the other hand was as easy as swapping barrels.
A bit further on 357SIG performance - round was originally designed for pistol length barrel. Using same loading data one can run into trouble with cases having necks opened up almost completely due to the fact that there is enough time for the case to start moving back with bullets being still in the barrel. Like I mentioned earlier, bolt weight and spring index need to be changed to deal with this issue. Lighter bullets, like 115 grainers and 90grainers are still ok though.
Sorry for such lenghty post. I almost feel sorry for hijacking.
I've had AR's the last couple years, but just last week picked up a used 9mm Storm. I have been wanting one for a while, and this one came up on the EE for a very fair price.
I think the Storm is a real niche gun, and more of a "nice extra" than a "must have".
If I were starting out, I would probably go with a used, basic AR. I started with a used Armalite lower years ago as a "just in case" to get one in my name (this is when there were rumours about the AR being imminently prohibited).
If I specifically needed a non-restricted black rifle, I'd go with a XCR or AR-180B. For a non-restricted long gun that will go a little farther than a pistol, I think a 12ga shotgun does the trick.
Finally, maybe it's just me, but I probably wouldn't consider the Storm if I didn't have the corresponding Beretta 9mm pistol (a 92G in my case).
Do many of you own a Storm, without owning a Beretta pistol (92 or 96)?
I think the Storm is a real niche gun, and more of a "nice extra" than a "must have".
If I were starting out, I would probably go with a used, basic AR. I started with a used Armalite lower years ago as a "just in case" to get one in my name (this is when there were rumours about the AR being imminently prohibited).
If I specifically needed a non-restricted black rifle, I'd go with a XCR or AR-180B. For a non-restricted long gun that will go a little farther than a pistol, I think a 12ga shotgun does the trick.
Finally, maybe it's just me, but I probably wouldn't consider the Storm if I didn't have the corresponding Beretta 9mm pistol (a 92G in my case).
Do many of you own a Storm, without owning a Beretta pistol (92 or 96)?
Well, I own a Bushmaster Ar15 carbine and a Storm in 45acp with a red dot scope, and I`m ticked to death with both...Yes, as people have said, there is certainly a difference in calibers...Both have been totally reliable...
But can get a good Ar15 for much less than $2000, and that doesn`t mean buying Chinese....You can need all the extra "tactic cool" stuff later, as your budget allows...
As for the Storm, It`s a wonderful pistol carbine....After 1500rds, the trigger has smoothed considerably...You can switch the operations by yourself to left handed, and at 50, 75yards, the accuracy is "spooky", even without the optics....But that`s my CX4, other people`s mileage may vary.....
If you are unsure about the plastic components, you can buy metal upgrades (Guide rod, trigger system) through Brownells....
But, you can never go wrong with buying an AR15, it would be my first choice over the Storm....
But can get a good Ar15 for much less than $2000, and that doesn`t mean buying Chinese....You can need all the extra "tactic cool" stuff later, as your budget allows...
As for the Storm, It`s a wonderful pistol carbine....After 1500rds, the trigger has smoothed considerably...You can switch the operations by yourself to left handed, and at 50, 75yards, the accuracy is "spooky", even without the optics....But that`s my CX4, other people`s mileage may vary.....
If you are unsure about the plastic components, you can buy metal upgrades (Guide rod, trigger system) through Brownells....
But, you can never go wrong with buying an AR15, it would be my first choice over the Storm....
If you're leaning towards the CX4, you might also consider the Hi Point 995 TS Carbine (restricted & limited to 5 rnd mag) - I believe Ellwood Epps is selling them for $349 + tax.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=438235
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=443160
Are you sure? I don't see it on their web site and your first link didn't work for me.
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I vote for the CX4. I have one in 9mm and it rocks.
I was thinking about 22lr's caliber changes to his cx4's and I was wandering if anyone thought about converting the cx4 40 S&W to a 10mm? Same cartridge, just different length. 40 S&W operates at 35000 psi and the 10mm is around 37500psi. 10mm would be close to the power of a 223.
Hmm, I think I need to create a new thread.
I was thinking about 22lr's caliber changes to his cx4's and I was wandering if anyone thought about converting the cx4 40 S&W to a 10mm? Same cartridge, just different length. 40 S&W operates at 35000 psi and the 10mm is around 37500psi. 10mm would be close to the power of a 223.
Hmm, I think I need to create a new thread.
