Ipsc shotgun under attack?

stormbringer said:
nope.............

I very Very rarely kid and if I do I insert some sort of smiley emoticon.

667 seemed to get my point. Perhaps you should read what I wrote again.
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I did read it and my point stands. The last changes in our rules took place six years ago so how you conclude we are going down the same road is beyond me. Too, I am not sure what road you are talking about.

Shoot a few club and Sanctioned Matches and I think you will see why we have the rules we do.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
I did read it and my point stands. The last changes in our rules took place six years ago so how you conclude we are going down the same road is beyond me. Too, I am not sure what road you are talking about.

Shoot a few club and Sanctioned Matches and I think you will see why we have the rules we do.

Take Care

Bob
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It appears to be part of the human condition.................rules beget rules which beget rules.

tis the nature of the beast.

I can assure you that every IPSC rules has a reason behind it. I just question those reasons.

Similarly IDPA have rules and reasons behind them.............with the same response.....
 
dinsdale said:
I have seen procedurals called when a Mozambique was called for and the shooter shot a little high and put 2 in the head and one in the body.
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Nothing wrong with that - failure to follow the COF is a procedural.

It's about COF design. If the designer is specific about "how", then you have to follow the instructions or get dinged. If it's "go through this door and engage what you see", then not so much. Blind stages are ideal; they're also extra work to setup and run, so you see fewer of them than would be in an ideal world.
 
dinsdale said:
I have had "Cover" calls made against me when I was leaning around a wall and could not even see the targets I was trying to engage.

I have seen procedurals called when a Mozambique was called for and the shooter shot a little high and put 2 in the head and one in the body.
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The first could possibly be explained as poor stage design and could/should be challenged... Sometimes stage designers forget about shooters who may be taller or shorter than average or they forget about the guys with physical limitations.


I wouldn't call a PE on the second, but... I see two ways.

One... 'shooter didn't put two in the body one in the head as instructed so yeah... PE the guy.

Two... 'shooter did take the three shots and missed one... No big deal. Score as such.

In either case it doesn't make a lick of difference as long as everyone gets scored using the same method.
 
667 said:
In either case it doesn't make a lick of difference as long as everyone gets scored using the same method.
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Bingo - consistency.

Having now hijacked Storm's thread, I'll add that, if IPSC continues to try to appease the anti-gun forces, it will become less interesting and lose members to inactivity or other shooting sports, while still being hated by anti-gun groups.
 
acrashb said:
Bingo - consistency.

Having now hijacked Storm's thread, I'll add that, if IPSC continues to try to appease the anti-gun forces, it will become less interesting and lose members to inactivity or other shooting sports, while still being hated by anti-gun groups.
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Already happening, IDPA, Multigun Associations, etc are proof of that.
 
Bentleg said:
IPSC is a target for the anti's and it has bent under their fire..

and it should not have. Trying to make something "less offensive" in a situation of irreconcilable differences is pointless.
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Is it underfire? can anyone show me where anti's have attacked IPSC specifically (not just firearms)

Or is it (seems to me) a few out of touch leaders of the group changing things they personaly don't like, or mold it to something it was not meant to be.
 
Dealing with anti's is one thing, dealing with shooters within your own ranks is quite another. I hope things don't end up too ridiculous for you IPSC shotgunners...hell, if you guys have to switch and get used to limited shotguns, how the hell are you gonna clean up at the Napanee match this year :p

In regards to the IDPA references, while I haven't been a member of IDPA for very long, I can say there are not too many rules which don't make sense...there might be one or two, but nothing too irritating to me. For the most part, I think the competition and equipment rules keep IDPA true to its roots.
 
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WOW.
Those proposed changes are just wrong.

Is it easier to make something "PC" vs educating those who show interest in these sports?

Open is Open, the only rule changes that should be made are the result of/enhance to safety, not someone's perceived reaction from those not involved in the sport.

Not sure what to say at this point.
Being stifled from within our own ranks hurts.

Anyone who feels this is wrong should be contacting our regional director and making their concerns known
 
They outlawed the sport?!?! outright? wow.

Would you say they are making these movements from internal or external pressure?

I can't see some out side anti not liking little things, they hate ONE thing our firearms. Why change to try and make them happy.
 
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