aftermidnight
CGN frequent flyer
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- West Kelowna BC
Yep.. F*ck 'em.. If it comes down to that, strip it down, dremel out around the serial # and give them the piece. Basta*ds.
Type 97 Classification Issues - PART TWO
- Thread starter Clobbersauras
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Clobbersauras
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Waaay out west.
Thanks guys, Wed will be an interesting day. I wonder how many rifles are out there in private hands?
Clobbersauras
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Waaay out west.
I appreciate the gesture Throttle but I'm not sure there is any way to fight it and win.
If they are going to re-class it, then it will probably fall into one of these categories (taken from the CFC website)...
What firearms are prohibited?
The Criminal Code defines the following firearms as prohibited:
* automatics, including those that have been converted so that they can only fire one projectile when the trigger is squeezed;
* handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less, and handguns that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, except for a few specific models used in International Shooting Union competitions;.
* rifles and shotguns that have been altered so that their barrel length is less than 457 mm (about 18 inches) or their overall length is less than 660 mm (about 26 inches); or
* any firearm prescribed as prohibited -- These can be found in the fact sheet listing restricted and prohibited firearms.
Which one do you think it is? The answer is obvious, and how do you defend against that argument?
The way I see it the problem is this:
Someone at the registry originally classed these rifles as restricted. Then someone else at the registry decided to review the classification and realized that they f@cked up. Now they have a handful of rifles in private hands.
They should at least compensate the owners for their original f@ck up. I bought the rifle basically with the approval of the Government. It's due to their f@ck up that I'm in this mess. I couldn't have bought it if they had classed it properly in the first place.
Disclaimer - Do I agree with the thought that these rifles may be prohib? No, I don't. But the Hasslewander decision give the FRT Lab a lot of leeway in making classification decisions. I may be wrong though, I'm not a lawyer. And this is all speculation at this point, who knows what they'll do?
Throttle_monkey1
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Clobb, I think it's a winnable case. I don't know #### about law, but Paul Morrison does, and he had mentioned he thinks it's winnable. They revoke certification and serve notice, you can appeal it. Gun stays in your hand. We don't know if this gun meets the hasselwander criteria.
They could be bullying t97 owners hoping none will fight it. Remember they haven't even given canam a sound explanation. They're hiding something.
They could be bullying t97 owners hoping none will fight it. Remember they haven't even given canam a sound explanation. They're hiding something.
If they are hiding something how do "we" force it out into the open?
Ahh ok, missed that bit of info..
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
In court I'm guessing. They even blacked out the explanation in canam's freedom of information request citing some "national security" bs.
That reeks of lies. They don't have #### to stand on and they know it, why else the secrecy? If they had a strong case they would make their data known to canam at least.
What are they going to say in court? "judge this gun fits the prohib classification but we can't show you any evidence because of national security"
That reeks of lies. They don't have #### to stand on and they know it, why else the secrecy? If they had a strong case they would make their data known to canam at least.
What are they going to say in court? "judge this gun fits the prohib classification but we can't show you any evidence because of national security"
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Yes they would have to disclose their evidence in court. They might win, they might lose, but by t97 owners not challenging it, we probably will never know.
The problem is it costs money. No one man/woman can afford this on their own. If clobb does challenge it, he deserves our financial support. If 1000 cgners gave 10 bucks, that's 10 grand.
There's 60000 cgners and millions of gun owners in Canada.
Look at it this way, wrongway's dog broke it's leg. In a matter of hours, thousands of dollars were donated by cgners.
If we did that with important court cases, we would be unstoppable.
The problem is it costs money. No one man/woman can afford this on their own. If clobb does challenge it, he deserves our financial support. If 1000 cgners gave 10 bucks, that's 10 grand.
There's 60000 cgners and millions of gun owners in Canada.
Look at it this way, wrongway's dog broke it's leg. In a matter of hours, thousands of dollars were donated by cgners.
If we did that with important court cases, we would be unstoppable.
We can take a page from Oral Roberts playbook, If CGN'er don't raise 1 million dollars for our legal causes by the end of the month, God will be calling wrongway's dog home.
