The Infidel - update w first group

wallbanger said:
The Surgeon RSR that would compare to this is 796.00 USD. The action looks great Rick but it isn't the same price point. Yours is 1100.00 more. Even the 591 with integral rail converted to Canadian dollars is 1346.00.
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actually ricks action would be more comparable to the 591. simply because the rsr was skimped on compared to the 591 so they could so bring the price down.

the canadian cost of SKILLED labor, materials, heat treating, etc is a lot more than it is in the us so when you can import a surgeon 591 for roughly 1600 if you do all the paper work yourself and deal with all the hassle, 300 dollars more for a canadian made product isn't out of line.



rick, you dont take arms and legs as payment do you ? :D
 
iconfig said:
actually ricks action would be more comparable to the 591. simply because the rsr was skimped on compared to the 591 so they could so bring the price down.

the canadian cost of SKILLED labor, materials, heat treating, etc is a lot more than it is in the us so when you can import a surgeon 591 for roughly 1600 if you do all the paper work yourself and deal with all the hassle, 300 dollars more for a canadian made product isn't out of line.



rick, you dont take arms and legs as payment do you ? :D
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I would have to say Ricks action compares to the RSR more than the 591. The RSR wasn't skimped on it was desighned the same way ricks was. A round action that has a pinned recoil lug and securely added rail. The 591 has a integral lug and rail that are one piece with the aciton neither of which Ricks has.

I think Ricks action looks killer. I also don't think the price is out of line for a guy just starting out building actions and in Canada to boot, but it is higher than getting one of the other options.

Just My $0.02 not ment to argue.
 
I think the actions look good. I think the price is fair. As for the rant about actions costing less in the states... everything costs less in the states, even stuff produced here in Kanada. Do some research... tires, clothes, quads..... fuel, pretty well most everything is almost half price or less.

If you feel the actions cost to much, don't f**kin buy it, as I'm sure there are lot of folks who will :)
 
My point wasn't that it was higher priced, it was that it was stated that it was comparably priced and also all the reasons why such as fees and exchange and such. People can charge what they want as I will in my buisness and I have no problem with that but I just don't want untruths to be quoted on here and people that don't know believe it. The RSR has no integral rail or integral lug so it would be the comparable one even though Rick's looks more robust.
 
rig_pig69 said:
I think the actions look good. I think the price is fair. As for the rant about actions costing less in the states... everything costs less in the states, even stuff produced here in Kanada. Do some research... tires, clothes, quads..... fuel, pretty well most everything is almost half price or less.

If you feel the actions cost to much, don't f**kin buy it, as I'm sure there are lot of folks who will :)
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Amen,

Now, back to more about the actions
 
Action looks interesting. Is this the first one produced or does a shooter have one would like to hear the T&E on this.

Things i like
tig bolt plus if you look at the picture there is a Allen screw (nice touch)
deeper threads over the standard Remington, my preference for longer heavier barrels.
larger port with the same bolt length (my assumption) appears to allow for the use of short mags.
bolt release where it should be and not in the bottom metal.

Things I don't or need further clarification on
Turning the barrel down to fit inside the recoil long makes setting back chamber harder. can a standard lug be used without any problems.
15-5 steel. what advantage does this bring over current SS models like 4140 alloy steel?
BR tight tolerances. are we talking Bat, Kelby tight or other. The understanding is of these tight tolerances are they do not work reliably for field guns.
Firing pin size?? Please advise
Overall weight ?? need to be able to work within weight limits.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
This ain't no April fools joke guys. The actions ARE at the Calgary gun show on display.
The tolerances are tight enough for BR work. With NOT fluting the bolt body they will work well as designed for Tactical.
The bolts are not interchangeable with the rem 700 as they are larger in diameter, this was done so as to ensure no loss of integrity of the bolt for use of the M16 style extractor.

We have not finalized the pricing yet but expect them to be in the same range as Surgeon, Dakota or Nesika at about $1900.00 for the complete action less trigger.

The 1st run will be with bolt faces for 308 or similar calibers.
We will be maintaining production year as part of the serial number.
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Unfortunately, a little too rich for my tastes.
 
Got to fondle this beast at the show. It's a HEAVY mofo, certainly you'll be comfortable shooting magnum calibers all day with it. :D Bolt's smooth as expect for something of this price point, and it does feel like a well polished machine.

Does it shoot well? Not a clue. :D We'll see when ATRS posts a grouping. Is it worth the money? Totally up to you, it's certainly unique.
 
Sorry, but I fail to see what this endless whining is going to prove.
We have a very simple situation here....either you like it or you don't, either you'll buy one or you won't. I will buy when I can afford regardless of price because I'm helping support a Canadian business, and because I have two samples of the builder's work in my gun safe, they are two of the finest rifles I have ever had or maybe ever will have so when I take home an Infidel it will rank up there with the best.
When I buy from Rick I know for a fact he will stand behind and support if it should ever be required and to me that is priceless...
My two cents worth.....
 
As some have posted, at this point we figure the actions will be in the $1900.00 range, but as also mentioned this is preliminary. We feel that these actions are easly in the same league as Dakota, BAT, or Kelby, which are all priced very close to what ours are.

Part of the reason for the higher costs of many Canadian made products is a total lack of incentives from various government bodies to help in any way.

I am very well acquainted with Glenn Seekins of Seekins`Precision, and Glen Harrison of Defiance Machine as well as the guys at Montana Rifle. There are reasons they are located in the states they are. Same with Nightforce, BAT, Lilja and Dakota/Nesika. There are state, county and municipal incentives and help to encourage small business to locate there.
In Canada and especially Alberta, and even worse Calgary there is absolutely NO incentive to set up here. No tax breaks , labor cost assistance, no building rent subsidies as the states of Montana, Idaho or North Dakota offer.

At a SHOT show dinner with Glenn and Glen we got into a discussion about the costs of shop rental and wages as well as finance possibilities for machines. I could have 10 times more shop space and 3 times more employees and 3 times more machines if we moved to Idaho, all for the same monthly costs as I pay out now, based on these incentives. Only 2 times more of everything if we moved to Montana or N.D.

Purchasing small quantities of steel also increses the costs.
Our tax rates are higher as are our wages from what is paid in the USA.

Getting anything from the FBDB or local financial lenders is impossible in this business, so having to finance machines through non conventional means is more expensive.
This all adds up to a higher production cost, add the higher production costs to a small market item with a very lmited market place and the costs escalate higher.

We did not get into making actions to be the cheapest, we did not get into making actions because we wanted to be big manufacturers and sell worldwide.
We got into making our own actions because we felt we could offer a superior product to those who want the best and are willing to pay for it. Not everyone is content with a Chevy, some of us like Caddys or better. Not everyone can justify or afford true high end gear and I understand that, and for those that do not want to spend the $$ on something unique, of very high quality and Canadian made , thats fine.
For those who do, you won't be disappointed.
 
Rick forgot to add that, sadly, a lot of the guys that can't or won't pony up for the best find some perverse glee in trying to run down the product they can't afford. Likely this results from jealousy of those of us who can afford the best and don't shrink from saying that we can spend that kind of money and we will. I find it offensive for some noobsausage to accuse people of "a screw job" because, as far as I can see, the above noted sausage cannot afford the product. I suppose that guys like Rick should work for nothing so we can save money for ourselves?

I would buy an action from Rick in a heartbeat because, a) I know how fussy he is about getting things right - hence why this product took best part of 3 years to go from the drawing board to the display table, b) I've seen examples on this board of Rick standing behind his products, and c) I can afford to pay a premium not only for quality but to support a local small business. I try to buy from small outfits as often as possible, for everything from the Stevens 200 I bought from Reliable to the Merkel 140AE I bought from TradeEx (and the $230 a box Norma ammo I got from TSE to feed the beast - ouch boys!). When that dummy in Washington slams the door on firearm enthusiasts North of the border I'm happy to know that I will have at least one tame gunsmith and a few trusted retailers to take care of me and my needs.

Remember - the toes you step on today may belong to the @ss you have to kiss tomorrow! :D
 
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