Can CF members deploy overseas with personally owned weapons?

shredder said:
I know that some members of the US Armed Forces can carry their own personal sidearms as long as they can use issue ammo.
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Sure about that? I remember reading and had confirmed by a tenant who was just deployed to Afghanistan with the New York National Guard that Family members were mailing aftermarket mags for Barretta's because the issue ones were crappy, but the army screens the mail for anything and tosses the mags.

So I am going to guess NO, for the US too, other wise I would suspect plenty of guys would be carrying .45's instead of 9's
 
CZ85Combat said:
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The problem with BHP right now is that they are hit and miss. Some are still in great shape, but others are very poor... The mags are another issue. I've bring my own on my last tour.
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BHP's are like any other weapon or tool. If properly cared for it will last forever, if abused the lifespan is significantly reduced. ~ Realizing that sometimes abuse is unavoidable.

The facts are that the Inglis BHP is 60 years old and is issued with the original springs and magazines (also with 60 yo springs); New springs reduces wear and battering on the working parts, new quality mags eliminates 60 years of wear and spring aging.

The No2 Inglis "Browning High Power" is still in the top 10 of available service pistols, but it has to be maintained and the "new and shiny" doctrine means that it is destined to die a pre-mature death.

It's like taking a hi performance engine and try to run it on 3 year old gas...
 
Lee Enfield said:
BHP's are like any other weapon or tool. If properly cared for it will last forever, if abused the lifespan is significantly reduced. ~ Realizing that sometimes abuse is unavoidable.

The facts are that the Inglis BHP is 60 years old and is issued with the original springs and magazines (also with 60 yo springs); New springs reduces wear and battering on the working parts, new quality mags eliminates 60 years of wear and spring aging.

The No2 Inglis "Browning High Power" is still in the top 10 of available service pistols, but it has to be maintained and the "new and shiny" doctrine means that it is destined to die a pre-mature death.

It's like taking a hi performance engine and try to run it on 3 year old gas...
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You mean to say the CF doesn`t have new springs for the BHP?
 
"...spring aging..." Springs do not lose temper from sitting in storage or from being compressed in a loaded mag. The bends in a flat spring can and will work harden from extensive use though.
My 1944 vintage Inglis works just fine, including the mags. The only bad thing about it is the poor, fixed, sights. Kind of like to meet the putz who designed 'em.
 
Mags aside, the only thing that is wrong with the Inglis HP are the sights and mag safety.
 
the only thing is this pistol are only good for KAF all the engagements I saw were out 200 m. the pistols are junk period, SIG, Hi Power, what ever. Really i like it for the meal line in the FOB but past that more wieght for something you will never fire.
C7 is great but heavier round would be awesome fn L1A1 even better C9 in 7.62 even better. New LAV with a 30 MM or the LAV H with the 25 MM and the Tow would be even better pistol does more damage when you role out of bed and hit your head on it or it falls on your foot.
No you cannot deploy with your own pistol. if you are going to kill someone then it is with issued kit. It is the legal side and that thing called the geneva convention and tight ass egg heads that make this crap up
 
Zephram said:
This thread is interesting to me, I guess because I'm curious as to what people would want to change? I mean, getting issued a Sig P226 is like, not something to be upset about. Can you ask for a better sidearm?? What would that be?

As for replacing the Hi-Power, well, i know it has lots of history and there are fans in this thread, and that the armorers do keep them running great. I still think its a piece of s**t though. There are things that I would want to have LESS than a HP, but there are definitely better guns. Not really for the Sig though...what could you take to a theater that would be better than that??

Now that I think about it, I'm probably going to hear from a bunch of 1911 buffs who are talking about .45 cal. Thats an argument you could make I suppose :( IMO be happy with the Sig :)
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Which is funny, as i loathe sigs as anything other then target guns. Fat, slow in the hand and DA the first (important) shot. I don't carry them in the field obviously, but for IDPA style shooting, give me a HP any day, and you can keep all the sigs:) I'm not sure WHAT guns are better then the HP, lots of DIFFERENT ones. If they had to change up to something else, they'd be better off with glocks, cheap, light and stone reliable. (and i HATE glocks...)
 
Well SARP 2 is approaching or in progress and IIRC a new Pistol was on the table and from what I've heard through the Grape Vine Sigs are an unlikely replacement. Hopefully the CF procurement guys will be smart enough to pick up the Glock 19.
 
6 pages and no body raised the issue of the Articles of War, the one about not modifying weapons or equipment to cause undue suffering? Hit a bad guy with hollowpoints and not issue ball ammo, go to jail.
 
Zephram said:
This thread is interesting to me, I guess because I'm curious as to what people would want to change? I mean, getting issued a Sig P226 is like, not something to be upset about. Can you ask for a better sidearm?? What would that be?

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Now that I think about it, I'm probably going to hear from a bunch of 1911 buffs who are talking about .45 cal. Thats an argument you could make I suppose :( IMO be happy with the Sig :)
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The 226 wasn't an option, the 225 was. Sure, the 225 is a good pistol. But when everyone around you is carrying the HP and you're the only guy with a Sig, being the odd man out on a 2-way range is suddenly not too cool. You can't use anyone else's mags not to mention the single stack Sig has fewer rounds than the HP. Commonality and interoperability go a long way when your ass is on the line. Thus I went with the pistol that I knew would be the most commonly carried.

Those issues go away when it's a completely aircrew environment and everyone is carrying the 225 (plus C7s/C8s and a C6 in the door). That said, I'd still prefer a pistol with more rounds.;)
 
most cf guys i have talked to equate a pistol with a extra brick like object they have to carry around i think most of them would rather just go with some extra mags or just lose the weight all togather
 
shredder said:
Any particular reason WHY??

I know that some members of the US Armed Forces can carry their own personal sidearms as long as they can use issue ammo.
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I pretty confident that only members of certain Spec Op units can carry their own weapons. But in any case they are issued the best sidearms and have access to all the United States Military armorers. So, they are in a good position any which way, bringing their own would be pointless, costly and possibly sub-par to what they could have made for them.
 
ante_1313 said:
I pretty confident that only members of certain Spec Op units can carry their own weapons. But in any case they are issued the best sidearms and have access to all the United States Military armorers. So, they are in a good position any which way, bringing their own would be pointless, costly and possibly sub-par to what they could have made for them.
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They don't carry they're own they just have a Plethora of different handguns to choose from generally mission specific. I've heard of Glock 19's, H&K Mark 23's, Kimber 1911's, SIG P226's, all in the hands of SOCOM units at various times. For example something like a .45 is preferred where a Suppressor is in use given .45 ACP's subsonic qualities.

The US is significantly different Officers can buy their issued M9's at the end of their service. Mind you lets not forget back in WW2 many Canadian private purchased 1911's for use over seas.
 
Tom_Swift said:
They don't carry they're own they just have a Plethora of different handguns to choose from generally mission specific. I've heard of Glock 19's, H&K Mark 23's, Kimber 1911's, SIG P226's, all in the hands of SOCOM units at various times. For example something like a .45 is preferred where a Suppressor is in use given .45 ACP's subsonic qualities.

The US is significantly different Officers can buy their issued M9's at the end of their service. Mind you lets not forget back in WW2 many Canadian private purchased 1911's for use over seas.
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Gotcha. That makes sense. Thanks for the correction.
 
"the main purpose of a pistol, is to use it to fight your way back to your rifle, which you shouldn't have left in the first place"- Jeff Cooper, Guns and Ammo magazine
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