Prohibited

[John Sukey]

A question. Why are smaller pistols prohibited? Is it because they are possessed by evil demons and might jump off the table and shoot someone, or is it just stupid politicians who know nothing about firearms and think they are evil?

 

[shotzee]

They are easier to hide.

So policy makers said they are prohib.

 

[aric84]

Yup, they are too tiny apparently.

Now those evil little .32 and .25 calibre pistols.....I was told that they had a nasty habit of eating children in the middle of the night so they got put on the list as well.

 

[USP]

they are made in ussually smaller calibers and therefore arent as dangerous as fullsize pistols. Because they are safer, it only makes sense to ban them!!

The reality was this allowed the Liberal communist scum an effective way to arbitrarily "ban" almost 50% of the handguns in Canada at the stroke of a pen. They tried to use the argument that these small guns "were saturday night specials" and favoured by criminals. Just more arbitrary gun control by the police state.

Once the generation that owns these guns is dead, other than pre 45 war guns the rest will not go 12.7 but end up melted down into scrap. Its a slow form of confiscation but just as effective as a seizure and the public mostly has no idea it even happened.

 

[tiriaq]

Remember when HCI was pushing to ban "Saturday Night Specials" in the US? That's where the Canadian banners got a lot of their ideas.

 

[MadDog]

Once the generation that owns these guns is dead, other than pre 45 war guns the rest will not go 12.7 but end up melted down into scrap.

Or hidden by relatives that find them after the death of the person which solved nothing by the gov't. Funny huh? I can own a Savage pistol in 380 but the same pistol in .32 with a barrel only shorter by 3/16" is prohib. I guess the gov't figures nobody can get hurt with the 380 but the 32 is very, very dangerous!

 

[Boomer]

The silly thing is that you cannot define a good gun from a bad gun. Any gun that is used in criminal violence is a bad gun, until taken away from the criminal, at which time it becomes a good gun, if mechanically sound. While being shot is never a good thing, your chances of surviving a solid hit from a .25 is much better than it is surviving a solid hit from a .30/06. Instead of banning pocket pistols, they should just issue them to the bad guys as they parole them. Then when they are killed in a shoot out with the police or a pissed off citizen, the pocket pistol can be reissued to the next clown. That makes about as much sense as banning a caliber, no, it makes more sense. I suppose everyone by now knows that there is no such thing as a .32 pistol. All .32s are .30 caliber, .308"-.311", yet a handgun marked .32 is a prohib while a handgun marked .30 is not. A Colt SAA in .32-20 is a prohib, but a .32-20 rifle is not. Logic doesn't apply to any of this unless you accept the premise that by banning a specific caliber you reduce the number of guns in the country.

 

[C Broad Arrow]

These types of guns are banned because there are those that think it it morally superior for woman to be raped and murdered, rather than give them a tool that is sized correctly that would allow them to protect themselves.

There is no factual or statistical basis for the decision to ban those guns which are generally referred to as 12(6). It is all part of the social engineering that was perpetrated on Canadians by the antis.

 

[josquin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Allan Rock** claim that .32 & .25 cals. "were used by the criminal element"? Mr. Rock, wherever he is, must be delighted that the criminals being arrested these days are sporting full-size guns, now that all those dastardly pipsqueak guns have been declared Prohibited, which means the bad guys aren't allowed to have 'em. Just like the suppressor that was discovered in a big pot-growing operation here in Mission a week or so ago.

(** John, Rock was our Min. of Justice - and an implacable "anti" - when all this silliness began)


Stuart

 

[C Broad Arrow]

Mr. Rock is now President of University of Ottawa...you know... the place where they banned Ann Coulter from speaking.

 

[Lee Enfield]

A question. Why are smaller pistols prohibited? Is it because they are possessed by evil demons and might jump off the table and shoot someone, or is it just stupid politicians who know nothing about firearms and think they are evil?

The truth is (and surprising that no one in this thread has even alluded to it) that it was a strictly numbers excercise;

More than @40% of the handguns in the registry were registered as 4" or under barrels. Adding the various .25 & .32 cartride chamberings took the total to @55+% of the total.

The "rocket scientists" of the RCMP and "in-Justice Department" thought that they could confiscate those guns from their owners and eliminate them from both the registry and the country. Unfortunately for them, the BNA and Constitution stood in their way. The creation of the full auto "Grandfather" class in 1978 showed the way. In creating the precident of seizure of property (handguns) from a substantial portion of the population it allowed them to create an ability to seize other items (bank accounts and real property).

Incidentally, I'm told that the 1978 creation of "grandfathered" full auto collectors was the first of it's kind in the world~ creating a diminishing class of individual rights ...

Dave Tomlinson (and others) saw the "loop-hole" that according to the law, barrels, bolts, cylinders ect are simply uncontrolled "spare parts"; and without a barrel a frame is just a frame, with no "bad features".

This was the reason for the massive campaign c. 1995-1998 to spread the soon to be "prohibited" handguns to as many new owners as possible.

The people who bought into this campaign and then gave up and sold out without going to the finish line (reference hearing) are the real reason that the 12.6.1 doesn't include 1995-1998 registrations. Telling 35,000 people that their rights don't matter isn't as easy as doing the same with 1,500.

 

[mandarb11]

Ya like criminals check the regulations before they acquire a gun......"OK I cant commit a crime with this one, it is prohibited and I want to make sure I follow firearm laws....." and these people that write these laws honestly believe it will stop/reduce crime? Wow!

 

[misanthropist]

A question. Why are smaller pistols prohibited? Is it because they are possessed by evil demons and might jump off the table and shoot someone, or is it just stupid politicians who know nothing about firearms and think they are evil?

Yes, it is because they are possessed by evil demons and might jump off the table and shoot someone.

 

[NAA]

They are easier to hide.

So policy makers said they are prohib.

Yeah, that's one of the BS excuses that the ani-gunners put out there to justify the prohib law in this area.

Funny how a S&W 4" barrel .38/.357 revolver, which is a prohib, is longer and harder to conceal than a 1911 in .45ACP with a 5" barrel, which is restricted....

NAA.

 

[royz]

In Mexico they went the other way and banned pistols more powerful than .380 because they didn't want criminals to have access to high powered weapons. Obviously that has worked out well.

 

[LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1]

It makes me mad. I went to the local pawn shop to handle their overpriced Poly m14s and a CZ 858 since I would like to order both (not from them). I also browsed their pistol selection. Overpriced of course, but their was this nice little Smith&Wesson 9mm pistol their, nice blue, and just a nice looking pistol. But, of course it would have to be prohib, and it look like it is just barely. They won't even let me look at it.

 

[mmattockx]

There is no factual or statistical basis for the decision to ban those guns which are generally referred to as 12(6). It is all part of the social engineering that was perpetrated on Canadians by the antis.

There is no logical basis to ban any guns, period.

As noted, it was simply the easiest way to write the law for maximum effect and ban 50% of the handguns in Canada in one stroke. None of this has anything to do with public safety, it is simply social engineering and more control for the government.

I hope there is a special place in hell for the Libs like Rock and Trudeau and gun control advocates like windy, after the damage they have inflicted on this country and the people in it. It is criminal that Rock and Cukier can't be held accountable for the many deaths of unarmed victims that were denied the tools for self defence by their work.

Mark

 

[smokechecker]

These are the same people who put the .22 cal AP180 on the prohib list because it SOMEWHAT resembles the AK. It's no more dangerous than a Ruger 10/22.

 

[soulchaser]

A question. Why are smaller pistols prohibited? Is it because they are possessed by evil demons and might jump off the table and shoot someone, or is it just stupid politicians who know nothing about firearms and think they are evil?

Because the Liberals realized that more than 50% of the handguns in the hands of private Canadians were short barrel .25 or .32's

With one stroke of a pen, they instantly banned more than half of the handguns owned by Canadians.

 

[pricedo]

Because the Liberals realized that more than 50% of the handguns in the hands of private Canadians were short barrel .25 or .32's

With one stroke of a pen, they instantly banned more than half of the handguns owned by Canadians.

The concept of Grandfathering was born in 1978 when full autos were prohibited by the Trudeau Liberal government Bill C-51.

Grandfathering is essentially confiscation postdated to the expiry date on the owners birth certificate.........its printed in real small text on the back in the bottom right corner.......just kidding !!

Grandfathering gave the owners of the affected firearms an easy out......short term gain for long term pain......an opportunity to keep their guns until they died and the price tag was just to continue being what comes natural to Canadians.....apathetic.

In effect Grandfathering gave the older generation of Canadian gun owners an opportunity to sell out the next generation of Canadian gun owners for some temporary peace & false security which they promptly did without a second thought.

Grandfathering was nothing more than a cautious protracted form of confiscation designed to minimize the political backlash that outright confiscation might have caused.

In retrospect, I think Richard Mosley (now a Superior Court judge), the federal DOJ & Rock over estimated the Canadian Firearms Community and were being too cautious and that Canadian handgun owners would have surrendered ALL their handguns after a token protest if they had just outright banned & confiscated them back in the late 90's.