Why the price difference on Leupold

And this is a BIG reason why NONE of my rifles wear Leupy scopes. It ain't cuz Leupy makes a bad scope (they make an excellent scope) -- but I refuse to take that kind of obvious screwing on purchase price, when a Bushnell Elite or a Nikon Monarch are every bit as good as a VX2 (Bushy) or VX3 (Nikon), for much (much) better prices.

I know all the blathering about the warranty service, but I tell you what -- Bushnell will fix your scope when it breaks too; and considering I've spent about $3,000 less on my scope collection than I would have if I was buying Leupy's, I'll wait a couple months for the $3,000, thanks. I could buy a spare scope for every one of my guns for the price difference.
 
That Mark 4 difference is going to have to come down - I'm a couple hundred bills away from the Nightforce equivalent... I'd be pretty foolish not to go that route.


On the flip side, I do enjoy Leupy's selection of scout-style scopes. :)
 
Jayph said:
I guess the answer is simple. It is what it is. This is the example of what I found when searching prices. I am sure there are cheaper and more expensive in both Canada and the US but this is what I found. (snip)
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It wasn't always this way. When our dollar was lower against the U.S. Leupy pricing wasn't too much out of line with the others. As parity arrived the other manufacturers adjusted their prices more in keeping with the exchange rate than Leupold's distributor in Canada.

What I don't accept is the higher price reflects the improved warranty service. What I don't understand is why retailers are trying to blow that line of bulls**t by consumers.
 
Always thought that Leupold made nice scopes and in some catagories like high end rimfire there isn't many to choose from. Weaver make a pair of great rimfire scopes in a 2-7 and 3-9 A/O, but no one Canada has them in stock.
I always said that dollar for dollar Bushnell make a better product, now Nikon is coming on strong at least in the Alberta market. And with the new 3-9 Conquest pricing at $499.00 gonna make things a little tougher on Leupold. FS
 
The way pricing works is based on optimality from the perspective of the manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers. The cost will normally be set at whatever they can get. If Canadians particularly value Leupolds, they'll get more money out of us. They're not looking to get 20%, or 50% or whatever. They are looking to get maximum percent. If you want prices on the consumer's behalf, move to Cuba, but you won't find Leupolds.

If you want their prices lower, tell them they are losing your business as a result of their pricing (retailers will tell the wholesalers what they hear from their customers, if enough customers say something). If enough people do that, they will realize that the optimum might actually be lower.

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Just a warning for all of you Nikon lovers out there - their warranty is by far one of the worst in the sports optic world. I have sent scopes in for repair with almost every major company (Bushnell, Leupold, Nikon, etc) and the only one who demanded a receipt (which I no longer had) and refused to service my optics (binoculars) was Nikon - limited non-transferable warranty is crap in a market where almost every manufacturer offers lifetime warranty. Warranties (at least for me) make a difference, I have seen failures with all the standard N. American offerings to pass through my hands, my S&B and Swarovski haven't yet but anything is possible. How much a scope costs doesn't make a diffference in my experience but how they treat you when it fails does. I am not saying Nikon is a bad manufacturer but they don't stand behind their products like Leupold and Bushnell. As for the price difference, who can say? Leupolds are highly desireable and people are willing to pay more for them... it is what the market can bear I guess. JMHO.
 
Leupolds warranty is worth buying Leupold for, best in the business, they are the one optic I highly recommend buying used, You get great pricing and lifetime warranty. Will NEVER buy a new leupold in Canada as the pricing is NOT justified, Leupold honours Grey market and U.S. scopes warranty no questions asked, the minute they quit they go the way of Toyota.
 
Ruffed Grouse said:
The way pricing works is based on optimality from the perspective of the manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers. The cost will normally be set at whatever they can get. If Canadians particularly value Leupolds, they'll get more money out of us. They're not looking to get 20%, or 50% or whatever. They are looking to get maximum percent. If you want prices on the consumer's behalf, move to Cuba, but you won't find Leupolds.

If you want their prices lower, tell them they are losing your business as a result of their pricing (retailers will tell the wholesalers what they hear from their customers, if enough customers say something). If enough people do that, they will realize that the optimum might actually be lower.

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I have spoken to two dealers who won't carry leupolds because of the lack of response they get from Korth, They want to carry them, they want to compete on price, but can't because they only have one supplier in Canada who they say is impossible to deal with unless you are (names with-held). On the other hand all warranty issues I have heard of or experienced have been excellent. two different issues though. Try Wholesale Sports or Bass pro as I understand they get their Leupold through their own distributors and don't have to deal with Korth and may be able to offer much better pricing than the locals.
 
Glock4ever said:
Just a warning for all of you Nikon lovers out there - their warranty is by far one of the worst in the sports optic world. I have sent scopes in for repair with almost every major company (Bushnell, Leupold, Nikon, etc) and the only one who demanded a receipt (which I no longer had) and refused to service my optics (binoculars) was Nikon - limited non-transferable warranty is crap in a market where almost every manufacturer offers lifetime warranty. Warranties (at least for me) make a difference, I have seen failures with all the standard N. American offerings to pass through my hands, my S&B and Swarovski haven't yet but anything is possible. How much a scope costs doesn't make a diffference in my experience but how they treat you when it fails does. I am not saying Nikon is a bad manufacturer but they don't stand behind their products like Leupold and Bushnell. As for the price difference, who can say? Leupolds are highly desireable and people are willing to pay more for them... it is what the market can bear I guess. JMHO.
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How long ago was that? My Nikon buckmaster 6-18x40mm SF I put on my .22LR came with a paper that said lifetime waranty no receipt required. Though I doubt it will ever fail on a rimfire.
 
Jayph: You better check this out my friend and track that receipt down - your scope has a 25 year limited warranty only in the US does it have the lifetime warranty.

http://www.nikon.ca/en/Product.aspx?m=11909

25 Year Nikon Sport Optics Canadian Warranty*
Your new Nikon Binocular/Scope is guaranteed under the Nikon Worldwide Warranty against manufacturing defects for one year from the date of original purchase. In addition, this product is fully guaranteed by Nikon Canada Inc. against any manufacturing defect for an additional 24 years.

The Twenty-Five Year Warranty is valid only for product imported and sold by Nikon Canada through its Authorized Canadian Dealers. During this Twenty-Five Year period, repairs or adjustments will be made free of charge upon presentation of the validated “C:” portion of the International Warranty Card together with the original bill of sale at any Nikon Canada Service Depot.

The warranty does not cover damage caused by impact, water, sand, nor by accident, misuse or unauthorized repair. Transportation and insurance charges to a Nikon Canada Service Depot are the responsibility of the owner.

The warranties are in lieu of all other express or implied warranties and of any other responsibility on the part of Nikon Canada for direct, indirect or consequential damages except for obligations provided by applicable law.



I sent my binos in 2 years ago and stopped buying Nikon since. Nice product but you have to watch yourself with the warranty. BTW there is a significant difference in warranty service between Nikon Canada and USA, USA is much better but won't do warranty work for Canadians (I tried after Nikon Canada denied service to me) Leupold and Bushnell will fix anything you send to them under their warranties regardless if you damage the scope while using it. Nikon can deny you service based on the underlined criteria (which they did in my case besides the fact that I didn't have the receipt anymore). Like I said worst warranty in the business. Which is unfortunate as I do like the look and functionality of their optics but like I mentioned earlier every major manufacturer I bought optics from had at least one failure and when you are spending min 4-500+ on optics it is nice to know that the manufacturer will take care of you when it goes down... Bushnell will even take care of you if you buy a crappy 1-200 dollar scope where it almost isn't worth the cost of shipping to get it repaired. Something to consider.
 
Glock4ever said:
Jayph: You better check this out my friend and track that receipt down - your scope has a 25 year limited warranty only in the US does it have the lifetime warranty.

http://www.nikon.ca/en/Product.aspx?m=11909

25 Year Nikon Sport Optics Canadian Warranty*
Your new Nikon Binocular/Scope is guaranteed under the Nikon Worldwide Warranty against manufacturing defects for one year from the date of original purchase. In addition, this product is fully guaranteed by Nikon Canada Inc. against any manufacturing defect for an additional 24 years.

The Twenty-Five Year Warranty is valid only for product imported and sold by Nikon Canada through its Authorized Canadian Dealers. During this Twenty-Five Year period, repairs or adjustments will be made free of charge upon presentation of the validated “C:” portion of the International Warranty Card together with the original bill of sale at any Nikon Canada Service Depot.

The warranty does not cover damage caused by impact, water, sand, nor by accident, misuse or unauthorized repair. Transportation and insurance charges to a Nikon Canada Service Depot are the responsibility of the owner.

The warranties are in lieu of all other express or implied warranties and of any other responsibility on the part of Nikon Canada for direct, indirect or consequential damages except for obligations provided by applicable law.



I sent my binos in 2 years ago and stopped buying Nikon since. Nice product but you have to watch yourself with the warranty. BTW there is a significant difference in warranty service between Nikon Canada and USA, USA is much better but won't do warranty work for Canadians (I tried after Nikon Canada denied service to me) Leupold and Bushnell will fix anything you send to them under their warranties regardless if you damage the scope while using it. Nikon can deny you service based on the underlined criteria (which they did in my case besides the fact that I didn't have the receipt anymore). Like I said worst warranty in the business. Which is unfortunate as I do like the look and functionality of their optics but like I mentioned earlier every major manufacturer I bought optics from had at least one failure and when you are spending min 4-500+ on optics it is nice to know that the manufacturer will take care of you when it goes down... Bushnell will even take care of you if you buy a crappy 1-200 dollar scope where it almost isn't worth the cost of shipping to get it repaired. Something to consider.
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Very true, nikon optics and binos should NEVER be bought for their warranty.
 
I was especially impressed by the technician's assessment. The rubber eyepiece that had broken which I wanted to replace (everything else was fine), was 90 or so dollar repair - the binos were only worth 250 bucks. I asked if it was covered, he said that it wasn't because I didn't have the receipt as well as the fact that binos I had were no longer in production - they were 10 years old, so they didn't have parts for it even if I wanted to fix them. He said that if I had sent the receipt in I would have been entitled to buy a new pair of binos at dealer cost (~200 bucks for a new set of equivalent binos) but since I didn't he couldn't do anything with them regardless. At least Nikon paid to send them back, at this point I was almost expecting a request for a credit card number so that they could charge me shipping and handling to send them back to me. When I got them back I gave them to my bud as a set of truck binos - they still work fine (even with the broken rubber eyepiece) but after that whole experience I would never go back to Nikon again. To me warranty is a big deal for optics - I have never had to use the warranty on a rifle or other parts but Optics aren't just something a guy can fix at home whereas a rifle can be sent off to a smith, so warranty is one of the most important factors for purchasing.
 
Hmm thanks for replying. I saved all my papers in my scope box and I never got that one just the lifetime one. Good to know hopefully it never brakes cause the reciept is long gone.



Glock4ever said:
Jayph: You better check this out my friend and track that receipt down - your scope has a 25 year limited warranty only in the US does it have the lifetime warranty.

http://www.nikon.ca/en/Product.aspx?m=11909

25 Year Nikon Sport Optics Canadian Warranty*
Your new Nikon Binocular/Scope is guaranteed under the Nikon Worldwide Warranty against manufacturing defects for one year from the date of original purchase. In addition, this product is fully guaranteed by Nikon Canada Inc. against any manufacturing defect for an additional 24 years.

The Twenty-Five Year Warranty is valid only for product imported and sold by Nikon Canada through its Authorized Canadian Dealers. During this Twenty-Five Year period, repairs or adjustments will be made free of charge upon presentation of the validated “C:” portion of the International Warranty Card together with the original bill of sale at any Nikon Canada Service Depot.

The warranty does not cover damage caused by impact, water, sand, nor by accident, misuse or unauthorized repair. Transportation and insurance charges to a Nikon Canada Service Depot are the responsibility of the owner.

The warranties are in lieu of all other express or implied warranties and of any other responsibility on the part of Nikon Canada for direct, indirect or consequential damages except for obligations provided by applicable law.



I sent my binos in 2 years ago and stopped buying Nikon since. Nice product but you have to watch yourself with the warranty. BTW there is a significant difference in warranty service between Nikon Canada and USA, USA is much better but won't do warranty work for Canadians (I tried after Nikon Canada denied service to me) Leupold and Bushnell will fix anything you send to them under their warranties regardless if you damage the scope while using it. Nikon can deny you service based on the underlined criteria (which they did in my case besides the fact that I didn't have the receipt anymore). Like I said worst warranty in the business. Which is unfortunate as I do like the look and functionality of their optics but like I mentioned earlier every major manufacturer I bought optics from had at least one failure and when you are spending min 4-500+ on optics it is nice to know that the manufacturer will take care of you when it goes down... Bushnell will even take care of you if you buy a crappy 1-200 dollar scope where it almost isn't worth the cost of shipping to get it repaired. Something to consider.
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cabelas:

mk4 6.5-20x50 illuminated tmr $1,479.99
30mm mk 4 rings $149.99
rem 700 1 piece mk 4 base $119.99

1749.97 USD

now i paid 1850 CAD when the dollar was stronger. so it works out to about 200 dollars over the us price which in my opinion is pretty cheap for someone else to handle all the paper work for me.
 
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