Cocked&Locked
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You'll never hear about either of them on the starbug so no worries, we don't need to
Forum for the eternal conflict between the 9 and the 45?
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You'll never hear about either of them on the starbug so no worries, we don't need to
We may note, however, that the Europeans retain
their preoccupation with the 9mm Parabellum cartridge. This is due primarily
to the fact that the Europeans as a group are not interested in stopping
power. As one Frenchman once told me, if in Europe you shoot a criminal, he
sits down on the curb and bursts into tears. In America he will shoot back
and kill you if he can. Different attitude.
Jeff Cooper
From Jeff Cooper's Commentaries
Vol. 6, No. 2
February 1998
their preoccupation with the 9mm Parabellum cartridge. This is due primarily
to the fact that the Europeans as a group are not interested in stopping
power. As one Frenchman once told me, if in Europe you shoot a criminal, he
sits down on the curb and bursts into tears. In America he will shoot back
and kill you if he can. Different attitude.
Jeff Cooper
From Jeff Cooper's Commentaries
Vol. 6, No. 2
February 1998
LMAO!!!
Hey how about .45 super? No contest in any category if you load .45 super vs 9mm. Heck I'll even challenge the 10mm nut huggers vs .45 super.
Both are virtually identical. Even more so than .357 mag and 10mm. Though I'll mention superior mag capacity for the 10...
Greenhorse six
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Don't you have to say "BETTER THEN A GLOCK" 3 times while looking at a 1911 for that to happein? jk
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Well if we are seriously talkin about concealed carrying then .45 acp is not the best choice in my opinion. 1911's even the compact designs are simply too heavy for my liking. The only choice for me would be a G27 with the grip extension to give me 10 rounds in the mag and 1 in the chmaber of that happy medium refferred to as .40 S&W!! You can talk about caliber choice all you want but the more important factor is going to be the gun itself, and what purpose it is going to serve. Dont get me wrong I love 1911's and have owned a couple but for reliability, ease of use, and weight it is hard to beat a compact Glock. The .45 ACP is a limiting factor on the number of rounds I have in my gun and that is a big downfall for me.
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If you don't mind a magazine that protrudes slightly below the grip frame, you can get 10 shot .45 magazines for the 1911. I have one but seldom use it, and a long grip frame, or a magazine that extends beyond the grip frame does nothing for the concealment of your pistol. I wonder though if the warm fuzzy feeling one gets from large magazine capacities is well founded. Although 10 rounds is not unmanageable, the 12-15 round magazines as some of these guns were designed to hold, could lead you to running the gun dry because in a fight it would be all but impossible to keep track of how many rounds you've fired. I suppose it comes down to personal preference, but with a pair of 8 round .45 magazines and the pistol initially loaded with 9 rounds, a mag swap after 7 shots provides 15 rounds of virtually uninterrupted .45 fire, and more if you carry more than a single spare magazine. Many modern pistols are further hampered with magazine safeties, but if you have to fire a 1911 before the magazine swap can be completed, you can do it. As to this notion of firing of a dozen or more rounds in the course of a fight, lets also consider that you are morally, ethically, and legally responsible for every projectile you send down range, regardless of the peril you find yourself in. Particularly inn an urban environment, I for one wouldn't want to fire more rounds than was absolutely necessary to resolve the problem.
I do agree that a full sized 1911 is not appropriate to people of smaller stature. Even if we could deep six 12-6, a Commander size pistol only partially answers the problem, and an Officer's ACP some would find all but unmanageable. If a polymer frame pistol could be produced with a small grip frame intended for a single stack magazine, a decent trigger, and with sufficient weight to dampen recoil, that would go a long way to resolving the issue. In the meantime, the small frame revolver as a viable alternative.
