Who else prefers the old classics?

Point well taken but one mans treasure is fugly to someone else. I admit, while there are some that fall into the 'outlandish' I category have a few European rifles I think have distinctive yet clean 'classic lines'.

The rifles shown here are good examples of what I would consider outlandish Euro guns:

http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/85-engravings.aspx

By the way, are those Jordan Trooper stocks from Herrett's on your S&W 500? My K-38 has the Roper stocks and I'm quite happy with them.

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Did someone ask for some swamp donkey nostalgia?
How about some 1930s moose head.:p

Okay, done now.......:)

Maybe

Cool pictures of days past. I have a couple but not quite matching what you've posted.

My Dad on a Deer hunt in the early 30's

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Mr. & Mrs. Joe & Betty Wendle of Barkerville, again early 30's I believe at the end of a successful Grizzly hunt. Mrs. Wendles forte was hunting Grizzly for which she used a Savage model 99 in 22 Savage High Power.

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From a more recent era:D, my Daughter & I after my first AB draw Mule Deer hunt there:p.

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Great pics Johnn, all of them.

22HP for a grizz huh! Wow, looks like the trip was successful.
"Now Mr.Bear hoooooold still, this is gonna hurt real bad. That's it just turn your head to the side and let me look in that ear."
 
.... and here's my favourite varmint rifle, a Winchester Model 53 chambered in 32-20 made in 1926. Now I realize that 1926 is getting pretty modern, but I hope y'all will allow it to be a classic just the same. It shoots a 115 grain cast bullet at a blistering 1,150 fps. Now I reckon that there's some new-fangled varmint rifles that can shoot more than three times that fast, but the question is ..... is 4,000 fps better than 1,150 fps? Is a flatter trajectory better than a curved one? What does 'better' mean?

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We are having a riot shooting our little 32-20 too. Rekon it is 10 years newer than your 53 but it has those classic lines still and it is a real shooter even with the ugly Hornady .310" 123gr. Haven't tried cast. Easy on the wallet, ears and the shoulder. Good times.:)
 
The mountain bears were much bigger and tougher in the 30's. Reports are that the big boars did not hibernate. They followed the wolf packs all winter and ate the moose leftovers. As a result they were much larger bears.
 
Great pics Johnn, all of them.

22HP for a grizz huh! Wow, looks like the trip was successful.
"Now Mr.Bear hoooooold still, this is gonna hurt real bad. That's it just turn your head to the side and let me look in that ear."

Definately wouldn't be my caliber of choice but Mrs. Wendle used it successfuly on Grizzly, a number of times. I had the opportunity on a couple of visits with her in her house in Barkerville, to see some of those Grizzly rugs.
 
Definately wouldn't be my caliber of choice but Mrs. Wendle used it successfuly on Grizzly, a number of times. I had the opportunity on a couple of visits with her in her house in Barkerville, to see some of those Grizzly rugs.

Those are great memories to have, write them down for your grandkids! I was mentored into hunting by a couple who were family friends. He was the wild one and the lady did it all by the book. She got a big grizz but it was eating one of their beeves and wanted to try her too. She used a 1910(?) Ross on that huge brute at point blank. My Dad was building the barn at the time and heard her shooting from 3 miles away. He said it was like a semi auto, then a break while she loaded and some more for good measure.
 
I love all the rich history coming out. Mr. Peterson thanks for the pics too. Someday your grandkids will show someone that picture of you and your lovely daughter. They will say "this is my mom and grandpa on a hunt in Alberta and that rifle overthere is the one grandpa used." And that blue and walnut will still shine for another generation to come.
 
Mrs. Wendles forte was hunting Grizzly for which she used a Savage model 99 in 22 Savage High Power.
I would also feel that the 22 Savage High Power was a little light for Grizzley, but this illustrates the change in thinking between yesterday and today. Each decade brought with it countless articles in gun rags extolling faster, more powerful cartridges, with the result that folks became convinced that they needed to move in that direction. At the same time, the old cartridges were increasingly assumed to be vastly underpowered and good only for wounding game or point blank shooting. As a teenager, I was of that school of thought as well. Over the last 20 years, I've sold off all my modern rifles and increasingly experimented with the old cartridges and been very impressed with what they can do vs. the assumptions that we all need a 338 Win Mag or a 7 Rem Mag for Whitetail deer. This past fall, I took my Whitetail deer with an old 44-40 made in 1928 and was quite surprised at the 26" of penetration and shattered bones along the path.

It reminds me of an article a friend of mine recently sent me, from the 1974 Gun Digest. In that article, the author recounted his first deer hunt as a 12-year old boy. He had a Winchester Model 1892 chambered in 38-40. The rounds he used were black powder rounds he loaded himself, which means he was shooting a 180 grain bullet out the barrel at around 1,265 fps. He got two deer that season, one shot each. The first was a six point buck that field dressed at 130 pounds. His second deer was a big Whitetail Buck which, after gutting, weighed 267 pounds. The bullet penetrated from side to side, coming to rest against the skin on the far side. Not bad for a little lead bullet traveling at 1,265 fps. Today, if we took a vote amongst 100 hunters, I would not be surprised if at least half of them believed the 38-40 to be too light for deer. A friend of mine recently purchased a deer rifle. The fellow in the gun shop recommended that the 7 mm Rem Mag would be his best choice. He bought the rifle, and it certainly brings down the deer. There's even a bit of meat that can be salvaged as well.
 
. Bottom line: I do wonder if the stainless steel irons with composite stocks are as absolutely necessary as a lot of people think. Now if I had a rifle on a sal####er boat, well, that's a horse of a different color. But I'm not on a sal####er boat so give me the Old Timers any day of the week.

Are the necessary? Of course not! Hunters manged for many years without them.

Are they a better option for some hunting conditions and some hunters? Sure. Salt water is just one example.

Actually, on one salt water grizzly hunt, I watched my blued rifle get surface rust on it daily, even though I had embalmed it in rust inhibitor prior to the hunt, and daily cleaned the rust off it.

My partners stainless rifle required no attention, except when we got home he hosed it off with fresh water as a preventative measure.
 
Part of what is at play is whether a fellow sees his rifles as an enjoyable connection with the past, or as just a tool. I do have a modern semi-auto 45 pistol .... bought it spanking new. I like it, but it is just a tool. My previous one was stainless steel. I want my tools to be low or zero maintenance because I don't use them for enjoyment, I just want to get the job done. Even for tools, however, there are good quality ones like Snap On, and there are poor quality ones. If I'm going to buy a tool, I'd prefer a quality tool. I'm sure not knocking modern, well-made firearms. As I mentioned earlier, if I were involved in combat, I most certainly would want the best. Same with hunting in the vicinity of sal####er. Also, if I lived out of doors for long periods of time on the west coast, where my rifle would seldom get dry, it would most certainly be stainless steel with a composite stock. I get more practical when it comes to survival. I do hunt all day in the rain with my vintage rifles, however. I just wipe them down and dry them up in the evening when I get back to the house. Doesn't seem to hurt them ..... probably because they've been used enough already so anything new is no longer noticeable.
 
The rifles shown here are good examples of what I would consider outlandish Euro guns:

http://www.czub.cz/en/catalog/85-engravings.aspx

By the way, are those Jordan Trooper stocks from Herrett's on your S&W 500? My K-38 has the Roper stocks and I'm quite happy with them.

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By the link you've posted, your point is well made. I don't see anything much there that I'd be willing to part with any hard earned cash for. If there's someone that wants that kind of thing, go for it and they can have my share as well. Nice wood and perhaps a small touch of art work would be max for me, as/my post #64 for example.

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Or a slight touch such as a 'speciality' set of grips.

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Pardon the rush of pictures but I just wanted to clearly define my point.

And you're quite correct. The grips on my 500 S&W are a set of Jordan Trooper stocks by Herrett's. They are a set I picked for the N-frame Smiths after a tour of their plant in Twin Falls Idaho. I found that even with the Hogue grips that are stock on the 500 S&W and especially when using top end loads with the heavier bullets, it can inflict pain, at both ends. The rubber of the Hogue grip is fairly thin in the hump area of the grip frame and as such can prove to be somewhat painful with the heavy sharp recoil. I modified the Trooper stocks and now, while still a 'handful', the effects of the heavy recoil are at least manageable. Spreads the pain over a bigger area I guess.

Nice K-frame and the slight amount of honest wear & tear bluing wore off the end of the barrel set's it off nicely.
 
Are the necessary? Of course not! Hunters manged for many years without them.

Are they a better option for some hunting conditions and some hunters? Sure. Salt water is just one example.

Actually, on one salt water grizzly hunt, I watched my blued rifle get surface rust on it daily, even though I had embalmed it in rust inhibitor prior to the hunt, and daily cleaned the rust off it.

My partners stainless rifle required no attention, except when we got home he hosed it off with fresh water as a preventative measure.

Quite a few years back not long after I 1st moved to this west coast salt chuck area, I had similar serious concerns for my newly acquired Duck/Goose gun. Following one session of Duck shooting at the local tidal flats I was in the backyard running my 10ga. SxS through a cleaning process and a neighbour came over and offered a suggestion and product. He was a commercial fisherman and not a hunter but the 'product' he gave me was 'Ratfish oil'. He suggested putting just a little on a rag and wipe the metal work down. I didn't know if what he was suggesting was the equivalent of an 'old wives tale' but I thought, what the h**l, give it a try. What did I have to lose?? The smell kinda' reminds me of codliver oil from my youth. I have an old pillow case almost filled with empty 10ga Federal hulls, most of which were fired in the local tidal/river mud flats area.

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My AYA 10ga 3 1/2" mag, not a speck of rust that I can detect so I'm assuming it works and as with Imperial Sizing Die Wax, it's effective and a little goes a long way. I still have the better part of three medium(??) sized asprin bottles of it so probably enough to last as long as I'll ever have to worry about.

Just wondering, if some different blueing processes are more susceptible to rust or salt water corrosion than others? And in essence, the blueing process is basically a rust type process isn't it?
 
I have a few memories of old classics. A loooong time ago, when I was a teenager, I was in a strange area with another kid, maybe a year younger than me, in the spring of the year. We looked toward an old millsite about ¼ mile away, that had been operating over winter. There was a shiny black bear walking around. We got all excited, me wishing I had a rifle, when the other kid pointed to a homesteader's place a short distance away and said they had a gun.
I rapped on the door and a very elderly lady came. I told her the story and she said, "Wait a minute," and went back in the house. She came back with a very heavy, long barrelled Winchester, gave it to me, along with a handful of shells.
I eagerly took them, and soon looked at the shells--44-40. We were less than a hundred yards from the sawdust pile, when the bear walked right around the pile and disappeared on the other side, without seeing us. A perfect set up.
I hadn't loaded the rifle, I was waiting to see if we would get a shot, because I knew a lever action with the tubular magazine was a bit awkward to unload. The other kid said, "Wow, that's a big bear!" I said, "These are sure short shells." One of us suggested that maybe we should rethink our plan. The other one quickly agreed and we headed back to the old homestead to return the rifle.
 
I have a few memories of old classics. A loooong time ago, when I was a teenager, I was in a strange area with another kid, maybe a year younger than me, in the spring of the year. We looked toward an old millsite about ¼ mile away, that had been operating over winter. There was a shiny black bear walking around. We got all excited, me wishing I had a rifle, when the other kid pointed to a homesteader's place a short distance away and said they had a gun.
I rapped on the door and a very elderly lady came. I told her the story and she said, "Wait a minute," and went back in the house. She came back with a very heavy, long barrelled Winchester, gave it to me, along with a handful of shells.
I eagerly took them, and soon looked at the shells--44-40. We were less than a hundred yards from the sawdust pile, when the bear walked right around the pile and disappeared on the other side, without seeing us. A perfect set up.
I hadn't loaded the rifle, I was waiting to see if we would get a shot, because I knew a lever action with the tubular magazine was a bit awkward to unload. The other kid said, "Wow, that's a big bear!" I said, "These are sure short shells." One of us suggested that maybe we should rethink our plan. The other one quickly agreed and we headed back to the old homestead to return the rifle.

Thanks for sharing that story 4831.:)

Some folks may have read this one before but why not.

Year was 1928, Uncle Reuben was just 18 and had his homestead in his name for only a year so far. He would collect cream each morning in his pail and since he was 10 miles from town, he'd lower the pail by rope down into his well.

A cheeky little bugger of a bear which was too smart for his own good happened by and Reuben swears he would lift the pail by the rope up out of the well and consume all the cream! In those days cream would be collected and taken to town, traded for coupons that were used at the other merchants in town to keep buisness alive. Being his source for food he had to do something about this problem. The bear returned a couple more times doing the same thing.

Reuben talked to a local trapper who had also recently sold him a Remington 12C 22 and Martin brought over a trap and set it by the well, anchoring it to a hefty log.

In the mean time the Bear had gone a mile north to torment the teacher and student of the Red Deer River School. He'd sit outside the door and make them all stay late for detention, or catch the kids outside at lunch break and have them all scurrying to safety. A little menace as Reuben recalls. He held the teacher captive inthe school untill very late one night. She was a fresh recruit if I recall and was petrified of the wildlife.

Well that bear must have got hungry after tormenting the poor woman and went back to Reuben's, who at the time was out in the barn tending to one of his horses. There was quite a commotion when yogi got stuck in that trap, bellaring and barking, getting horse riled.

Reuben went and grabbed his Rifle and it sounds like it was much like Bruce's above. A big long Lever gun in 44. He thinks it was a winchester but what model he is not sure, just said it was big long heavy and he hated packing it.

The bear had hauled himself a little ways from the well and was very much alive when Reuben started shooting. He recalled it was real frustrating and it took several shots to kill the animal.

The trap was for what ever reason never returned to Martin. Reuben asked me if I'd like to have that trap three years ago now and then told me the story. It is one of my favorite items in the bat cave and is hanging under the moose skull in that B&W photo I already posted here.
Reuben turns a century this December, I cherish every moment with the grumpy old fellow.:cool:

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The trap:
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Sad to say the old 44 is long gone, he cannot recall who he sold it to.:( Same for the 303 Savage carbine he replaced it with. He did give me the 12C to look after though.

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Yes Noel, great pictures. And you have so many of that type, a tremendous collection.
Some day they should be in a museum, or art display, somewhere.
 
I prefer the old classics but have others, all are blued with wooden stocks, prefer Mauser action rifles, sxs double shotguns and Lugers. Having said all that I take a Ruger #1 in .300 Weartherby moose hunting with a Mauser (many too choose from as back up). --- John303.
 
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