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Hi, I'm sure that most of the older crowd has seen this but its new to me. This was pulled from a old Imperial case. 180gr .303. Why I'm posting this is the bullet has 2 cannelure grooves. Any thoughts? RF
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The white tip means it is 180gr and it's a Sabre Tip. DA/Imperial had those on the market 25+ years before Ballistic Tips were out. The expanded nice and quick so the second cannelure was to help lock the core into the jacket. There are also black tips that signify 150gr bullets. The color code was the same for 30 cal and 303 British rounds. Another example of a Canadian company ahead of it's time, going out of business and Americans claiming they invented the plastic tipped bullet. IIRC Norma had plastic points even before DA/Imperial.

Wait until you find a KKSP loaded in an Imperial or DA case!
 
JasonS said:
The white tip means it is 180gr and it's a Sabre Tip. DA/Imperial had those on the market 25+ years before Ballistic Tips were out. The expanded nice and quick so the second cannelure was to help lock the core into the jacket. There are also black tips that signify 150gr bullets. The color code was the same for 30 cal and 303 British rounds. Another example of a Canadian company ahead of it's time, going out of business and Americans claiming they invented the plastic tipped bullet. IIRC Norma had plastic points even before DA/Imperial.

Wait until you find a KKSP loaded in an Imperial or DA case!
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I may be able to find an old KKSP, if I dug deep enough. I shot mule deer and moose with the 220 grain KKSP in 30-06.
The Sabre Tip shown came after the CIL Dominion CPE, (Copper Point Expanding.) I used quite a few of the CPE in 30-06, 180 grain on moose and I actually think they were a better bullet than the common Nosler. They opened up, but I think they retained more weight, than does a Nosler.
 
I've got a full box of Dominion 30.06 180gr St ( sabre tip ).Box says Patented Canada 1952.Same as pic above.Don't know whether to use them or leave them be collecting dust ?.They look like a nice round for moose !
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H4831 said:
I may be able to find an old KKSP, if I dug deep enough. I shot mule deer and moose with the 220 grain KKSP in 30-06.
The Sabre Tip shown came after the CIL Dominion CPE, (Copper Point Expanding.) I used quite a few of the CPE in 30-06, 180 grain on moose and I actually think they were a better bullet than the common Nosler. They opened up, but I think they retained more weight, than does a Nosler.
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I'll post a pic of a pulled KKSP. Do you think the young'uns here will believe they actually used to pierce the shank of the bullet to lock the core in?

KKSP = Kling-Kore Soft Point
 
I have an old box of plastic tipped component CIL bullets in .30 cal. The tip is more of a ball, very similar to some Norma 6.5X55 ammo I have as well (and which shoots great in my dad's old Mauser!).
 
I had some of those, they came with my P14 sporter...the old guy at the store said here you will need these, and handed me a small bag of them.

They worked nice...sadly only on targets.
 
Sabre tips

Have a box of those 180gr .303 Sabre tips (.311). Probably ok for range or light duty use, but personally I'd go with a current production bullet for hunting. As I recall that old IVI stuff had quality-control issues. Some may disagree. They were ahead of their time with the plastic tip though.
Geoff
 
troutseeker said:
I have an old box of plastic tipped component CIL bullets in .30 cal. The tip is more of a ball, very similar to some Norma 6.5X55 ammo I have as well (and which shoots great in my dad's old Mauser!).
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They loaded 30-30 with Sabre Tips too. Looked like a round nosed bullet but plastic instead of lead on the nose.
 
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Bullet tips of (L-R):
.308 180gr KKSP, .308 180gr Sabre Tip, .308 150gr Sabre Tip, .277 130gr Sabre Tip, 6.5mm 139gr Norma

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View of Cannelures on bullets

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.308 180gr KKSP Cannelure and locking perforations.

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Close up detail of 180gr KKSP showing mechanical locking of the jacket and core prior to bonded bullet technology. I believe that some of the dangerous game bullets of the past also used this design of mechanically locking the jacket to the core to prevent core separation.
 
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