CF and alternate optics.
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Although it is very, very cool that some units allow their soldiers to buy their own optics, it just breaks my heart to think they even have to. The C79 has had problems since it entered service, and if the soldiers overseas have a problem with it, it should no longer be in CF service.
Instead of issuing a crappy sight, why not just subsidize the purchase of optics by the individual, form an approved list of 10 or so good, quality optics, and away you go.
Of course, after spending the last 9 years in the CF, I think I just answered all my own question.
Instead of issuing a crappy sight, why not just subsidize the purchase of optics by the individual, form an approved list of 10 or so good, quality optics, and away you go.
Of course, after spending the last 9 years in the CF, I think I just answered all my own question.
Sorry to say but the ELCAN is not crap "not the best though" and yes its bulky and heavy, but it can take a beating and holds a zero. I have to many guys trying to use airsoft and hunting sights over seas, so where do you draw the line and as a leader YOU are responsable for them and there poor choices.
I guess the grass is always green on the other side, seeing how some US units are dropping there ACOGs for ELCAN Specter Gen3s
.I've never had one hold a zero for more than a few days.
Granted the C79A2 is a big improvement over its predecessor, its still large and useless. But it is green, so therefore looks bad-ass.
BAD STUFF
-It does not allow for use of a BUIS
-Not NV compatible (doesnt need to be, as use of PEQ2/4/15 mitigates this)
-isnt worth its weight, literally
-rubber buis last about 6hrs in a combat environment,
-the external adjustment is a lost-zero waiting to happen.
-It comes loose all the time, how many times have you had to pass down "check that your sights tight" down the line on any type of patrol? That's not good.
-Always ices up/fogs up and without a reliable buis, youre SOL.
-Does not support BAC,
-Tunnel vision on it is incredible
GOOD STUFF
-The tritium arrow allows me to easily pick up muzzle flashes at night w/o NV
-The new mount with the metal adjustment screws does not come loose, as often.
-The "stadia" sp? lines are great for ranging dismounted tgt's
-The glass is reasonable, i dont find a lot of parallax when ranging/firing.
-3.4X mag is great for checking culverts and seeing what "buddy" is carrying or digging.
I have never had an issue with my TA01NSN. Although, it too is not NV compatible. However, I never had to re-zero it after throwing it around a truck for 7 months, it shot the same group at the same POA the day before I left to come home.
Long story short I'd much rather spend the money on a TA31, as I believe this would be my ideal optic for the current AOO.
I will not comment on Eotech/S&B/AIMPOINT/Spectre DR as I have NIL experience with them. But I've carried the ELCAN on 2 deployments, and multiple ex's for a total of about 3 years WEAPON IN HAND. As well as 7 months WEAPON IN HANDin theatre with the TA01NSN.
.I've never had one hold a zero for more than a few days...
I'm assuming you submitted something to Ottawa on this?
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and heard is the only proof you will find
Am amazed anyone passes there PWT3 with all these rumours of it beening the worst sight ever made.
Sorry to
but people need to come back down to earth on this. Yes some older C79s had bugs and some do break here and there. But I have never seen or used a C79 or C79A2 that would not hold a zero.When you think it is bad it becomes bad, Like the Q-RAY you think it helps, so you feel better
I dont like them ether but there not crap
and heard is the only proof you will find
I have considered the sources experience(s), and that is all the proof I need.
You're right, I have no problem passing the PWT 3 with it, and it is BY FAR not the worst sight ever made.
Sorry to
you are the luckiest guy in the forces. Considering almost every soldier on every range (i've seen) needs to re-zero their weapon every time they are on the range.
I can agree to that. Considering you are a weapons tech so says your profile, I am willing to say you have more than enough time with these in your hand to have a valued opinion on the subject.
But can you tell me honestly that given the opportunity to OPI the A2 project, that you would put an upgraded ELCAN on them as opposed to a more proven optic?
Nope, but our PL WO did. His 3rd UCR in as many years on the same kit. Even before the A2 Mod. Look at all the nice new sights we got as a result.
I was issued an EOTECH on my roto. It went into my mob box and I used my Aimpoint M4s instead. I used it in work up training and overseas and did not take it off for visitors, mind you I was the troop WO and had the backing of the higher-ups, as did my troops if they wanted to buy quality optics.
Good to hear that someone did the paperwork. Did he check the response to it?
Just to clarify, I personally can't stand the C79 sight. But that being said, even with the older generation I did not have a problem with it holding zero, even when it needed to be removed at night, then reattached in the morning in order to mount KITE sights, or LADs (before the triad- and I won't even get into that thing
).Nope, but our PL WO did. His 3rd UCR in as many years on the same kit. Even before the A2 Mod. Look at all the nice new sights we got as a result.
Thoughs UCRs did get them to upgrade and if it still sucks have your WO do another one and have every WO in your unit do one. Ottawa only cares whats on paper. So to all of you who hate this sight, start putting pen to paper or you will be stuck with the C79 forever. Public works wont spend 1,000,000s on a new sight unless there is a real big problem. Note on UCRs, they must be valid ie; not it sucks and there must be lots handed in about the same problem. This process sucks and theres alot of red tape, But it does work in time.
This is what a talking about lol
You are given a fantasic sight -EOTECH 552 "Fantasic sight used by most of the worlds elite units" and instead you buy a Aimpoint M4 "fantasic sight too" But why not use the Eotech????????????? Its not because you wanted quality, its because you want to look different
Thats also like the saying "A poor marksman blames his rifle
" Yes you rezero and thats to insure everythings good to go be for you are tested. The CF has been doing it that way long before the ELCANAgree the PWT3 is not that hard "its the min standard"
