blow offs - help needed
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I have shot quite a bit over the last 25 years, both nationally and internationally. Lots of TR, service rifle, service pistol, precision rifle, lots of IPSC, some PPC, some skeet and some trap...and some Fclass.
I have run into many, many fine folks in all disciplines; I have run into those "others" as well.
I am not sure where the idea of "blow offs" came from as Fclass was originally just TR shot with a bipod and a scope. Everything else was common, including the two convertable sighters. Maybe they crept in from the Bench rest guys, who knows.
When I go to a match I am happy to conform to whatever rules are laid down by the organizers, be it unlimited sighters or the standard two convertables. As long as the rules apply to everyone equally, it is all good.
Like many others here, I started shooting TR when the ammo was IVI 64 machine gun ammo issued on the line out of a green can. (edit: Or was it DA? Maynard?)
We have to accept some change while still maintaining the spirit of what we are trying to do. We must get new folks out or we will soon be lying on the mound alone.
I have run into many, many fine folks in all disciplines; I have run into those "others" as well.
I am not sure where the idea of "blow offs" came from as Fclass was originally just TR shot with a bipod and a scope. Everything else was common, including the two convertable sighters. Maybe they crept in from the Bench rest guys, who knows.
When I go to a match I am happy to conform to whatever rules are laid down by the organizers, be it unlimited sighters or the standard two convertables. As long as the rules apply to everyone equally, it is all good.
Like many others here, I started shooting TR when the ammo was IVI 64 machine gun ammo issued on the line out of a green can. (edit: Or was it DA? Maynard?)
We have to accept some change while still maintaining the spirit of what we are trying to do. We must get new folks out or we will soon be lying on the mound alone.
If all the OP wanted to achieve was a 10 minute period before the commencement of the matches to allow the firing of fouling shots, there may have been a better way to approach this than an arrogant, condescending, whinethread on the 'net.
What in the f#ck is a blow off, sorry for my ignorance but is that a more complicated way of saying one round warming into the butts. People like to pride themselves on their shooting prowess, the hell with sighting shots. Use your ccb as a part of your scoring and shoot at uk distances without all those fancy flags and Rempel bipods and incorporate a bit of pt and see how many VBULLS those elite shooters hit.
You are correct tiriaq, but you are not privy to the events that led up to the origination post, so please try to be lenient.
As F Class and TR are conducted together, both disciplines need to be conducted in fairness to eachother. That seems to be easier said than done sometimes when personalities and egos get involved.
It's not just about blindly accepting the rules as they are, as many people who have posted seem so comfortable with.
These rules grew out of the TR game and may well be fair to TR from thier perspective. With the growth of F Class those rules are now being viewed from a different perspective and organizers (as well as TR shooters in general) have an obligation to give due consideration to new ideas from the F Class community without publicly humiliating or intimidating the people who make those suggestions in the first place.
If everyone lightens up a little bit and listens to eachother with an open mind, maybe some good can come from it.
No living - or recently dead - TR shooter can beat me, and I always win. I wouldn't want to be uncivilized or unsportsmanlike
That is a pretty bold statement. Are you talking about a TR shooter using a .308 and you using an open caliber ie a 6.5x28 et al. Of course you will, just like a Chevette won't win the Daytona 500 either. All things equal which the way imho it should be, let the shooter be the difference and not the caliber.
there is no twisting of your words. You said quite clearly that if the match rules didn't allow for blow offs that you would perform an illegal action in order to achieve your blow off.
You might actually want to go use the search function before you start to make even more stupid comments in regards to what I do or don't do.
As for the match being fun? well if you go knowing that you don't like the rule set, then why go? Vote with your money. If enough people want the rules changed, and either lobby for it, or don't go based on what the rules are, match organizers will notice, and likely change to appease their customers. Advocating, or bragging about shooting illegally however is still against the board rules. And that's my issue, it doesn't matter that it's in the precision rifle forum. I know plenty of people who feel the same way about their handguns, a fouled one shoots better than a clean one. However they don't pull over on the side of the road and blast a few off before they get to a match, or if they do (which I doubt) they certainly don't tell me about it, or brag about it on the internet.
You might actually want to go use the search function before you start to make even more stupid comments in regards to what I do or don't do.
As for the match being fun? well if you go knowing that you don't like the rule set, then why go? Vote with your money. If enough people want the rules changed, and either lobby for it, or don't go based on what the rules are, match organizers will notice, and likely change to appease their customers. Advocating, or bragging about shooting illegally however is still against the board rules. And that's my issue, it doesn't matter that it's in the precision rifle forum. I know plenty of people who feel the same way about their handguns, a fouled one shoots better than a clean one. However they don't pull over on the side of the road and blast a few off before they get to a match, or if they do (which I doubt) they certainly don't tell me about it, or brag about it on the internet.
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paintball. Everybody chill and take everything in context. Nobody is here to deliberately trash talk anybody else.... I hope!
Peace out!
Barney
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Should of bought a Kreiger!
What would you say if I told you it was a Kreiger barrel?
Jerry
Why not clean at the range, then fire a couple to get it fouled. Isn't the point of recording your ccb the beginning of each time you shoot knowing where your first rd will hit with a clean cold bore. Why have any sighters or blow offs. The guy who knows his rifle will likely come out on top. Too bad police snipers don't get the opportunity for sighters, I think there is alot of whining going on. Referring to F Class and TR as a separate entity as the OP refers to already indicates the way he thinks. I thought they were both F Class just different categories.
It would be very, very easy for match organizers to provide a short period for the firing of fouling shots prior to the commencement of competition. No targets. The only sighters would be those provided for IAW match conditions.
There would no doubt be many shooters who would take advantage of the opportunity to fire fouling shots. Not only new wave, innovative F Open class shooters, but tradition bound, reactionary TR shooters as well.
There would no doubt be many shooters who would take advantage of the opportunity to fire fouling shots. Not only new wave, innovative F Open class shooters, but tradition bound, reactionary TR shooters as well.
It would be very, very easy for match organizers to provide a short period for the firing of fouling shots prior to the commencement of competition. No targets. The only sighters would be those provided for IAW match conditions.
There would no doubt be many shooters who would take advantage of the opportunity to fire fouling shots. Not only new wave, innovative F Open class shooters, but tradition bound, reactionary TR shooters as well.
Halleluiah!!!
Finally someone who gets it!!!!
Whew!!!
Thank you tiriaq
You sir are a wise man and someone to be respected.
Wildfowlhunting
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- Niagara Region
Maybe its time to close this thread!!
