Process and ease of deregistering an antique?

H Wally

H Wally

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I would like to buy an antique that is currently misregistered as a prohib. The current owner thinks it's going to be impossible to deregister and won't discuss it further with me because of this.

So, what is involved in getting the gun deregistered? I assume you get proof of antique status from the verifiers, then give that to the CFC? Is the CFC resistant to deregistering guns? (This gun is a rimfire revolver with clearly pre-1898 proofmarks)

Has anyone here done it? Can I do it for the current owner to save him the hassle?
 
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe only the registered owner can do the de-registering. The gun you mention should be an open and shut case and normaly no problem BUT I do know that CFC are currently examing the antique status area and are probably going to be making changes to it. The Antique status orverides its prohib status so if you have prohib status I would say just buy it and then apply to de-register. If you don't have prohib status and the owner won't work with you on it ....then about the only solution I see is to have a friend who has prolhib status buy it for you....then de-regis.........................well you get the picture. Its a long round a bout way but should work. Good luck with it.......wTc
 
owner needs to do the Deregistering if the guns registered to him and if the guns a 38 LC then owner has to change that gun to a caliber not on the no list. thats alot of work and not cheep and then dealing with cfc to deregister it is a slow process even if you know what your doing.

owner can strip the gun and sell all its parts but must keep the registered frame as a paper weight.


Other way to go is owner sells gun to another CGNer with the correct licence then that person can try and change the gun to a Non listed caliber and deregister it.
 
Willy Tincup said:
I do know that CFC are currently examing the antique status area and are probably going to be making changes to it.
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How do you know this?

And what the others said, have a friend with prohib buy it and do the work. I think you would need to have a verifier examine it and confirm the details regarding it falling into antique status and then apply with the CFC, probably through the tech line(?), to have it reclassified.
 
Well, is there anyone in vancouver with a prohib liscence that would be interested in getting compensated for your time to help out with my de-registering a prohib then? :p
 
Originally Posted by Willy Tincup
I do know that CFC are currently examing the antique status area and are probably going to be making changes to it.
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I suppose I'm being optomistic in hoping they just make all guns built pre 1898 antiques like in the U.S.?????
 
mooncoon said:
The RCMP who administer the registry, vehemently support the long gun registry so expect any changes to antique status being to remove it.

cheers mooncoon
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The RCMP do not have the authority to make up or change laws. Their mandate is to maintain the law. They do not make up the law, they enforce the law made up by the politicians. They cannot legally step outside of their authority and start changing laws. If they do, then it will be challenged in court. Those responsible would also have to be disciplined. The law is on our side here; we need to use it and defend it.
 
mooncoon said:
The RCMP who administer the registry, vehemently support the long gun registry so expect any changes to antique status being to remove it.

cheers mooncoon
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I talked to a Tec at the RCMP Firearms section and there are no changes as far as she could see.
I agree with Win 38 55 its not a simple thing to change things that much.

The only Changes i have seen over the years is how they hand out RCMP Letters which they do not even have to provide and that one change of not lettering Merwin & Hulbert 38 caliber handguns or deregistering them as they chamber the 38 S&W its to close to the 38 S&W as all 38 Cal M&H chamber 38 S&W and the RCMP Say that that gun was made orignally to use both 38 M&H ammo and 38 S&W Ammo.
So nothing else has changed or is about to, thats what i was told.

Thats not to say something couldnt happen... its just what i was told when i called to check out what willy had heard.
 
Win 38-55 said:
The RCMP do not have the authority to make up or change laws. Their mandate is to maintain the law. They do not make up the law, they enforce the law made up by the politicians.
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they do not make up the law but they can and do enforce policies. In some cases these policies are those of the provincial firearms office but in many ways the provincial firearms office is an extension of the RCMP and its firearms registry/ licensing.

There are poorly defined areas within the existing law which allow policies to in effect make up the law; the M&H cartridge for example allows the RCMP to define it as a variant of the 38 S&W as noted by a previous poster. In my own experience they have also more or less said that an antique muzzle loader must have a maker's name on it in order for it to be dated pre 1898. That is applicable to guns with no proof marks on them. Further in the case of very early guns, which have maker's marks (stamps) on them rather than proofs or names, these mark's would have to be in an official catalogue of such marks.

Think about how broadly the term variants has been applied to prohibited modern guns; it is an indication of the mindset of the upper echelon of the RCMP that all guns must be destroyed. They certainly are in a position to lobby politicians for more restrictive laws and to claim that public safety is seriously threatened by existing antique definitions.

cheers mooncoon
 
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