Savage .223 rem fail to eject issue

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I have a Savage 12BCTSS or whatever, the thumbhole laminate, 26" barrel Varmint bolt gun in 223 rem.

Since new it has had no problems ejecting non fired rounds, but empty casings just get extracted from the chamber, then fall into the loading area, and I have to dig them out by hand. This happens no matter how fast I slam the action open.

I read a bit online, and tried grinding the ejector pin so it had about .020" more push, that didn't shange a thing, so I tried opening up the detent in the bottom of the extractor to let it move closer to the shell, and that also didnt change a thing, so I ground on the extractor to make it fit deeper and better on the shell, and that also did nothing. It still does the exact same thing. casing manufacturer also makes no difference.

Today I called the nice lady at savage, she said she would send me all new parts for free (very unexpected since I screwed with the originals) but I realy don't expect this to change much as nothing was worn on mine.

Has anybody else had this problem? Any solutions? My budy has a savage .223 that ejects fine, but he is out fo the country for a few months so I won't get a look at it for awhile.
 
Extractor is the problem. That is why Savage is more then willing to send you a new part.

A whole bunch don't work. I have been lucky to not find one of these extractors but will sooner or later as I am piling up a nice selection of 223s.

some has softer material then desired so eventually just wore.

some are shorter then desired so skip over the rim.

some have the location/depth of the rear detent not quite right so the ball/spring doesn't impact enough force to grap the rim.

At any rate, the replacements are supposed to resolve this issue.

good luck and nice to hear another Savage owner getting support from the factory.

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
Extractor is the problem. That is why Savage is more then willing to send you a new part.

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At any rate, the replacements are supposed to resolve this issue.
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I have the same issue with my 12FV in 22-250. Extracts fine but no ejection at all, either with loaded or fired rounds. I have just been using it as a bench gun while I do load development, so I hadn't worried about correcting it yet, but this thread came up at an opportune moment.


CyaN1de said:
P-J

Can you PM me the number you called and who you talked to if possible?
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+1.

Mark
 
Mark, check the ejector plunger which is across from the extractor. Looks like a pin in the bolt face. If this is flush, then that is your problem - the ejector is stuck.

The one thing Savages will do is kick out the case cause the ejector is very positive when functioning.

The extractor is the weak spot on some actions but easily fixed.

Hope this helps.

Jerry
 
(413) 568-7001 for parts and service (please have your serial number and credit card available)

Just phoned their contact line. The parts lady was very nice. I sure hope their new extractor solves it, although my old one was steel, not brass... so we'll see. I love this gun, if it just ejected the shells I would have zero complaints. :)
 
The brass coloured extractors are berellium (sp?).

OP said his cases were extracting just fine, but not ejecting. In all my target rifles, I removed the ejector, so the cases would saty in the action, so i could put them back in the ammo box, rather then have them scattered all over the place.

By screwing around with the extractor, you were screwing the part that worked. The ejector is a spring loaded pin on the other side of the bolt face. If a little burr of shaved brass gets in there, it can jam. Poke at it a bit, and see if you can get it to pop out.

If the ejection action is too violent, you can pull it out and clip the spring two coils. Then the brass will flip out about six inches, instead of two feet.
 
mysticplayer said:
Mark, check the ejector plunger which is across from the extractor. Looks like a pin in the bolt face. If this is flush, then that is your problem - the ejector is stuck.
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Ganderite said:
Poke at it a bit, and see if you can get it to pop out.
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So the ejector should be standing proud of the bolt face when the action is open? I will go tinker a bit and see if it is stuck. It has never ejected since I got it, perhaps the original owner pulled the spring out to make it into more of a bench gun?

Mark
 
I went and poked at the ejector a bit. It moves slightly into the bolt further, but will not pop up as described. It is definitely under spring tension, as it pops back up when pushed down, but won't return to its fully extended position. Where can I find a set of instructions to disassemble the bolt to see if it is merely stuck, or if I need new parts? I tried the Savage site, but they just tell you to take it to a repair center.

Thanks,
Mark
 
The ejector should spring loaded, and pop right up after being pushed it. It is retained by a little cross pin. Look, and you will see it. Remove this pin, being careful not to have the ejector and/or spring launched into the furthest corner of the room. See why the ejector is not free to move.
Reassemble in reverse order - you have to force the ejector down into the bolt, oriented correctly, and hold it in place while reinserting the pin. A cartridge case can be used to do this.
It is really easy to have something slip and launch the ejector and spring, never to be seen again.
 
tiriaq said:
The ejector should spring loaded, and pop right up after being pushed it. It is retained by a little cross pin. Look, and you will see it. Remove this pin, being careful not to have the ejector and/or spring launched into the furthest corner of the room. See why the ejector is not free to move.
Reassemble in reverse order - you have to force the ejector down into the bolt, oriented correctly, and hold it in place while reinserting the pin. A cartridge case can be used to do this.
It is really easy to have something slip and launch the ejector and spring, never to be seen again.
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I see the cross pin. I will have a go at removing it and seeing what is wrong. Thanks for the warning on the spring loaded part, I have pulled enough motorcycle carbs and forks apart to be used to small parts at high velocities.:D

Thanks,
Mark
 
tiriaq said:
The ejector should spring loaded, and pop right up after being pushed it. It is retained by a little cross pin. Look, and you will see it. Remove this pin, being careful not to have the ejector and/or spring launched into the furthest corner of the room. See why the ejector is not free to move.
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Pin is out, ejector just simply sits there. I can now push the ejector in a bit further and have soaked it in varsol and worked it back and forth for a while, but it refuses to come out farther than flush with the bolt face.

Mark
 
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You mention that it is moving freely but won't go out past the bolt face. From what you wrote, I take it you bought the gun used. Is it possible that the previous owner ground it down so it wouldn't eject????? Maybe if you posted a picture of it, or some measurements, someone could tell you it it's as-made dimensions or not.
 
Papaclaude said:
You mention that it is moving freely but won't go out past the bolt face. From what you wrote, I take it you bought the gun used. Is it possible that the previous owner ground it down so it wouldn't eject????? Maybe if you posted a picture of it, or some measurements, someone could tell you it it's as-made dimensions or not.
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I had the thought that maybe it was shortened for some reason. I can't get it out of it's hole or I would post some dimensions. It moves freely inward for maybe 0.030"-0.040", then bottoms out and pops up flush again when released. If I look through the cross pin hole while moving the ejector back and forth, the hole remains clear for the full movement. The ejector body never blocks the hole, which makes no sense to me if the ejector is being retained by that little pin.

If anybody has any instructions on stripping the bolt, I would love to hear them. Before I tear into it, I guess I should ask the Savage experts if I can get at the back side of the ejector if I do manage to get the bolt apart? No point in pulling it down if it is sitting in a blind hole.

Thanks,
Mark
 
My ejector is fine, it always has been. I made mine have .020" more push distance and it didnt help.

The angle the shell gets at in the bore is whats causing it to fall out of the ejector/extractor combo... they work as a team until that shell gets spit out.

Shot 50 rounds tonight, not one ejected. shot a 5 shot less then .25" group (same hole thats about .375" as far as I can tell) at 100 yards with this gun and my new perfected load. Once I get this ejection issue figured this will be my best gun by far!
 
Mark the pin has not been modified in any manner. I have had it happen to me in 2 different Savages when I had a pierced primer. You just need to take that bolt now and slam it on some wood it should pop out. On one of them I had to use a drill. I did not have to drill it right out it just turned a few times and that wore the burr off that was holding it in.
 
6mm Shooter said:
Mark the pin has not been modified in any manner. I have had it happen to me in 2 different Savages when I had a pierced primer. You just need to take that bolt now and slam it on some wood it should pop out. On one of them I had to use a drill. I did not have to drill it right out it just turned a few times and that wore the burr off that was holding it in.
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Thanks for that info. When I first got it, I did fire a few rounds that a friend loaded and they were way too hot in my rifle. The last two rounds fired, the primers fell out of the pocket when extracted and that may have been the problem. I was thinking about this last night and wondering if that was the cause of the problem.

I will try to pursuade it to come out with a block of wood.

Mark
 
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