M-14b

maybe he should of wrote on his website that June is the expected delivery date, but it is possible that they may be late by several months, which is the case. Maybe this is typical for Marstar to have these type of delivery problems,
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Are you new? It's typical for anyone bringing in firearms to have delivery problems and delays. It's probably not on the website because he assumes people understand the crap they get dished and would give them a bit of slack. They got told a date, he told you the date he was told.
 
BLUEFLASH;
"Maybe this is typical for Marstar to have these type of delivery problems, I not sure because its the first time that I have ever dealt with Marstar, and well to be honest, it has'nt been a good first impression. "
It is obvious you have all the answers, how long have you been importing firearms ? I would gladly hire you to eliminate all the delays we encounter....
This is EXACTLY why Marstar will likely discontinue advising in advance of any goods coming, we will not discuss any new items until they are either on the ship or already here....
It would appear you just can't win
John
 
I hate to say it but your probably right, John. It seems like you give us some news on expected date, you get $hit on if it doesn't happen. Most of us appreciate your hard woryou do for us lonely Canadian in the firearms market. Keep up the great work!!!
 
blueflash said:
Maybe this is typical for Marstar to have these type of delivery problems, I not sure because its the first time that I have ever dealt with Marstar, and well to be honest, it has'nt been a good first impression.
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If I was Marstar, I wouldn't change a thing. They rake in tons of pre-orders from people like you who believe their expected delivery dates, even though they are almost always wrong. He could be making up random dates for all we know.

Everyone likes to rag on Marstar, but maybe if the customers got a clue, they would wait until the item is in stock before ordering.

As for Marstar, I think they will keep milking the gullible customer by giving out expected delivery dates because it increases pre-orders, which certainly makes their life easier for billing and mailing when the product comes in. Sure it pisses off a few people who want their gun by a certain time, but most people are either in it for the low price or are too lazy to cancel.
 
Oh, you're right, how gullible I've been!
What are you, a psychiatrist? You saw right through me.

No doubt you nailed it with Marstar's ulterior motive too, stringing along suckers like me with the pre-order gambit.

I can't cancel my order, I'm too lazy.

On the other hand ...I don't have any issue with the way John is running his business with pre-orders. And if I really needed one right now, I'd get one elsewhere.
His price is the best and I also like his warranty. Pre-ordering makes the process very simple. This is a little more like waiting for a nice surprise.
I have other toys to play with in the meantime.

Keep up the good work, John.

By the way, thanks for bringing in those Norinco EM-332's.


Wildbore said:
If I was Marstar, I wouldn't change a thing. They rake in tons of pre-orders from people like you who believe their expected delivery dates, even though they are almost always wrong. He could be making up random dates for all we know.

Everyone likes to rag on Marstar, but maybe if the customers got a clue, they would wait until the item is in stock before ordering.

As for Marstar, I think they will keep milking the gullible customer for pre-orders, because it certainly makes their life easier for billing and mailing when the product comes in. Sure it pisses off a few people who want their gun by a certain time, but most people are either in it for the low price or are too lazy to cancel.
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Wildbore said:
If I was Marstar, I wouldn't change a thing. They rake in tons of pre-orders from people like you who believe their expected delivery dates, even though they are almost always wrong. He could be making up random dates for all we know.

Everyone likes to rag on Marstar, but maybe if the customers got a clue, they would wait until the item is in stock before ordering.

As for Marstar, I think they will keep milking the gullible customer by giving out expected delivery dates because it increases pre-orders, which certainly makes their life easier for billing and mailing when the product comes in. Sure it pisses off a few people who want their gun by a certain time, but most people are either in it for the low price or are too lazy to cancel.
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I guess your accusing Can-am and others of the same crap since they also offer preorders?

So only the clueless and gullible like to ensure the get the product they want for a reduced price...

All this time i thought it was unbelievably simple, place order, wait, stop yourself from complaining like a little girl, wait a bit more, then receive....

you don't have to be gullible, just patient.
 
WILDBORE;
"He could be making up random dates for all we know."
It is always nice to receive such trusting support from folks out there....
Since you seem to think we are lying to the public, it becomes even more obvious that we should discontinue advance notices and pre-orders....

" but most people are either in it for the low price or are too lazy to cancel. "
Is that not the whole idea behind shopping ? Go for the lowest price ? Is that not what Marstar has been doing for over 25 years ?
Do you really think so little of your fellow shooters as to designate them LAZY ?

Once again you prove my observation that 99.9% of the people we meet in this business are great folks who enjoy their hobby, then of course, there is you !!

John
 
Geez guys,quit acting like spoiled rotten kids who if they can't have it now,don't want it. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. If you think John's timelines are long,try ordering a new Sako or Tikka from the factory. You're told 2 to 3 months when you order. Then somewhere over a year later all of a sudden it arrives. No info what so ever is available from the time the order is placed,till it arrives. Oh ya,and you must put a deposit down to order one too.
 
johnone said:
BLUEFLASH;
"Maybe this is typical for Marstar to have these type of delivery problems, I not sure because its the first time that I have ever dealt with Marstar, and well to be honest, it has'nt been a good first impression. "
It is obvious you have all the answers, how long have you been importing firearms ? I would gladly hire you to eliminate all the delays we encounter....
This is EXACTLY why Marstar will likely discontinue advising in advance of any goods coming, we will not discuss any new items until they are either on the ship or already here....
It would appear you just can't win
John
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Hi John,
This is the first time i deal with you also. I have ordered an SKS, CQ and an M305. I have no problem waiting! I appreciate your business and the way it runs. Giving us the heads up of items coming and being able to preorder without a down payment. WOW who does that.

Please John do not take away the Preorder system.

As for you guys that are being negative. Well lets just say the world works in funny ways you bunch of Richard Craniums. Like John has any control what happens in China. He orders and hopes for the best.
 
Not telling you how to run your business but your life would be much simpler if you dropped the pre-order! When you have it in hand list it for sale. We'll still buy.Just my 2 cents
 
I'm really happy about pre-ordering as it gets me a place in line and I doing have to worry about missing it by not checking there web site everyday. I'm ok waiting for it, you just need to have patients. Not everything happens when they said it would, especially in the firearms market.
 
Katana said:
I'm really happy about pre-ordering as it gets me a place in line and I doing have to worry about missing it by not checking there web site everyday. I'm ok waiting for it, you just need to have patients. Not everything happens when they said it would, especially in the firearms market.
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Same here. I'm very happy with the pre-order system. It not only gives me my place in line but also brings us better deals.

I ve dealt with Marstar and cannot stress enough how GREAT their service is.

So THANKS ALOT JOHN,

and for those complaining non-stop on these boards, maybe you should try to understand a bit better how the system works...
 
johnone said:
WILDBORE;
"He could be making up random dates for all we know."
It is always nice to receive such trusting support from folks out there....
Since you seem to think we are lying to the public, it becomes even more obvious that we should discontinue advance notices and pre-orders....

" but most people are either in it for the low price or are too lazy to cancel. "
Is that not the whole idea behind shopping ? Go for the lowest price ? Is that not what Marstar has been doing for over 25 years ?
Do you really think so little of your fellow shooters as to designate them LAZY ?

Once again you prove my observation that 99.9% of the people we meet in this business are great folks who enjoy their hobby, then of course, there is you !!

John
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I was defending your business practice, you know your dates probably won't be accurate but you give them anyways.

Why, because customers people tend to be more optomistic than realistic about estimated arrival dates. Yes, you could not provide information, but than you're not taking advantage of people's psychological flaws to increase your orders.

I have no problem with you juicing up pre-orders, you should keep doing it. However, don't complain when you get flack from people who expect more accuracy about the date than is realistic, because you damn well know each and everytime that those people are going to show up and criticize/bash your company when a shipment is late or delayed.

You seem to have no problem defending yourself/company against these people and you don't mind doing it, so I honestly don't see what the problem is. I was simply pointing out my observations/opinion, not disputing the status qou or disparaging your business in any way.
 
Wildbore said:
If I was Marstar, I wouldn't change a thing. They rake in tons of pre-orders from people like you who believe their expected delivery dates, even though they are almost always wrong. He could be making up random dates for all we know.

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As for Marstar, I think they will keep milking the gullible customer by giving out expected delivery dates because it increases pre-orders, which certainly makes their life easier for billing and mailing when the product comes in. Sure it pisses off a few people who want their gun by a certain time, but most people are either in it for the low price or are too lazy to cancel.
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Geeze, you must be new to this game... still in jr high?

All of the importers: Wolverine, Arms East, MarStar, Lever, TSE ect. et al all use the same advising/ordering system, but only MarStar seems to be subject to this constant invective and whining.

I'm tired of it, I'm sure so are a lot of people. MarStar has saved a lot of people lots of money by simply announcing that they were bringing in guns at an estimated price and time.

I suppose that you should voluntarily send John $200 for the M14S that you would have paid $799 for instead of the $399 that Marstar sold them for.

The Norinco 1911a1 that was selling for $525 that Marstar imported and sells for $350.

Now the "M4" that was selling for $899, that just the promise of Marstars shipments has reducing in price to $699 from most of the dealers.

So if you find it necessary to complain about the speed of the shipments, feel free to take advantage of the pricing situation which Marstar has created for you by purchasing a similar product from a competitor and then send John half of the money he has saved you.

I'm sure John's improved profit margin could result in air freight of some of those products you are SooooOOO excited about....

At work I sometimes have to deal with manufacturers, customs, customs brokers and shipping, you should try it sometime....
 
Lee Enfield said:
Geeze, you must be new to this game... still in jr high?

All of the importers: Wolverine, Arms East, MarStar, Lever, TSE ect. et al all use the same advising/ordering system, but only MarStar seems to be subject to this constant invective and whining.

I'm tired of it, I'm sure so are a lot of people. MarStar has saved a lot of people lots of money by simply announcing that they were bringing in guns at an estimated price and time.
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Must I repeat over and over for people like you. I have NO PROBLEM with Marstar or what they are doing.

I'm tired of it too. Which is why I'm pointing out that as long as John keeps providing dates which are inaccurate, people will always come here to ##### and complain.

He either needs to shut down this forum, stop pre-orders, or stop providing information to people. Those are some ways to stop the complaining.

However, I believe Marstar isn't going to change anything because the current recipe has made them into one of the most successful firearms businesses in the country. A few detractors won't change that.
 
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