XCR Accuracy?

Then let me clear it up for you so you understand I didn't shoot only one 3 shot group I consistently get + or - 3" 3 shot groups @ 300 yards, now is that better...

I'll even go further for you in field conditions shooting off a box on my quad I am averaging 6" 3 shot groups @ 400 yards with the same 6.8mm 95gr TTSX @ 2825fps muzzle velocity.
 
Take your three shot groups, and stack them with the point of aims right on top of each other.
What is the size of the composite group?
This will give you an idea of what the rifle is capable of, firing 6-9-12-15 shot groups.
 
There are others on here who have gotten significantly worse than 2MOA but I'm not here to speak for them.

I'd say personally I get an honest 2 - 2.5 moa with AE 55gr FMJ and the original heavy one stage trigger. I don't think that's terrible, no worse than a lot of out of the box AR's. I may invest in the match trigger if I decide to keep the rifle in the future.

I'm not slagging the rifle, there's a lot to like about it and mine has never had any reliability issues but I still don't see it being an MOA or sub-MOA rifle in most cases.

Service rifle furum discussing AR/C7 accuracy...

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488287&highlight=hammer+forged
 
I would but unlike you range boys I do most of my shooting in actual hunting conditions and it is hard to stack targets like these on top of each other... :p

347 yards across the valley to the rock that is 20 yrds to the left of the top of the light coloured log on the bank...

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I was shooting in an appr 5 - 8 mph wind and did not hold for windage wanted to see how far the wind would push the 95gr TTSX, I screwed up my first shot hit low left just missing the rock the other 2 shots didn't.

All three shots where shot in less than 10 seconds.

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Good shooting.
I have a target I saved with a three shot group on it I fired when determining the 500m elevation zero for my AR.
It is very pretty, being about 2 1/2", but is not a particularly definitive test of the rifle's performance.
However I do know what the rifle can do, day in day out, to 500m.
The XCR I mentionned would have looked pretty good if we had been plinking at a coffee can sized rock. On paper, it was disappointing.
 
Three shot groups are statistically meaningless - unless they are stacked one on top of the other with the aiming points lined up. In all likelihood, the composite group size will be somewhat greater than any single 3 shot cluster.
I have fired only one brand new XCR. Nightforce 2 1/2 - 10 on top, several different loads, firing from a bench at 100m. Two shooters, both capable.
The rifle shot an honest 4 minutes. I was disappointed.
Would it settle down and shoot better in the future? I would certainly hope so.
Would I consider buying one on the basis of this experience? No.

I can certainly understand your opinion based on this experience. My only question is whether this is after the break in period required by Robinson Armament?

I know the first time I shot the XCR it was a 4 MOA rifle (Rather disappointing). After the break in it was a 2-2.5 MOA rifle. The break in is listed by Robarms as needed for it to maintain reliability but I also found it also broke in the barrel. I only ask because you said it was brand new. I initially assumed this was after the break in but could you please clarify if you know. Thank you.

IMPORTANT BREAK IN PROCEDURE!!!

The XCR is one of the most reliable rifles money can buy. However, they must be "broken in" properly before they are reliable. The break in period is approximately 300 rounds. During this period parts slightly wear against each other until they glide smoothly.

If you use weak ammunition such as Wolf during the break in period, you may experience malfunctions which are caused by the bolt not moving back far enough when the rifle is fired. Here's a list of these malfunction:

1) The bolt does not go back far enough to pick up the next round and forces the round forward by the middle of the cartridge case. (We refer to this as a "short feed"). Many think this is a failure to feed; it is not.
2) An empty case gets caught between bolt and receiver such that the empty case is sticking out of the ejection port. (This is referred to as a "stove pipe".)
3) An empty case is not ejected and an empty case is shoved back inside the chamber. (Note: sometimes the empty case has swollen and it's hard to pull back on the charging handle.) And
4) An empty case and an unfired case get stuck in the action.

These malfunctions are all caused by the same thing - The bolt carrier and bolt are not traveling far enough to the rear of the rifle when fired. All these malfunctions will go away as soon as the rifle is broken in.

Suggestions for Easy Break In

1) Make sure the rifle is well lubricated during the break in period. (You should not need much lube after the break in.)
2) Use hot ammo such as "American Eagle" during the break in period. (Note: Weak ammo such as "Wolf" and other light ammo will cause you grief during the break in period.) And
3) Leave the gas setting to setting 4 (the highest setting).
4) We love to talk to our customers. However, it's best to follow these procedures before calling.


Reason for the Break In

The more the XCR is shot the smoother it gets. The XCR's parts are made on modern CNC equipment and have nice surface finishes. However, some parts simply need to wear together to work their best. We could have designed the XCR so that it used additional force to cycle the system from the beginning so that no break in would have been necessary. Had we done so, there would have been little difference between the highest and lowest gas settings and the rifle would always cycle harder that it would need to once it was broken in.

After the Break In

After the break in, the rifle will function reliably with hot ammo such as "American Eagle" on position 2 (this may vary from rifle to rifle). Weak ammo such as "Wolf" will function reliably on setting 4 (the highest setting).

If you are still having problems, check the following: (Follow safety precautions in the "Operator's Manual" and make sure the rifle is not loaded.)

1) After the firearm cools, grab the gas block and make sure it is tight and not moving. Tighten it if moving.
2) Remove the upper receiver from the lower receiver. Check the ejector and make sure it is tight. Then with the upper receiver upside down, take a hold of the recoil spring guide and slide the bolt carrier assembly back and forth in the receiver. Make sure it slides freely and does not bind against the ejector.

The gas valve should be set so that the empty cases are ejected approximately 8' to 15' from the rifle. If some empty cases are ejecting only a few feet, you're gas setting is not high enough and your sure to experience a malfunction.

We thank you for purchasing our product. Should you have any problem or question whatsoever, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Reference:
http://www.robarm.com/XCR_Technical_Updates.htm
 
Exactly.

I just picked up a 7mm Savage for $699 and with crap federal ammo I've got it grouping around 3/4" @ 100 yards.

I've only run 40 rnds through it so far but with some good shells I know it'll do better.

Ok, now we comparing bolt action with semi auto now? I think you want precision rifile forum. :slap:
 
Im not comparing bolt actions. Like i said before if i anted 2-4 moa id buy a sks or mini. And there are plenty of ar platforms shooting moa for 1000 bucks less than an xcr. I guess if your like camp cook and shoot only in the woods it would make sense to have an xcr but for a range toy i dont think it can be argued it is better than an ar.
 
Im not comparing bolt actions. Like i said before if i anted 2-4 moa id buy a sks or mini. And there are plenty of ar platforms shooting moa for 1000 bucks less than an xcr. I guess if your like camp cook and shoot only in the woods it would make sense to have an xcr but for a range toy i dont think it can be argued it is better than an ar.

No one is really arguing or comparing XCR to a Mini14, SKS or an AR, except for you and Suptin. ;)
 
No one is really arguing or comparing XCR to a Mini14, SKS or an AR, except for you and Suptin.

Don't drag me into this. I simply stated that I don't think the XCR will never be as accurate as an AR. Wether or not the XCR is "better" or worth the price is up to the people buying one. I don't have a horse in that race nor do I really care. I am not interested in AR's for their accuracy.
 
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My xcr has about 100 7.62 down the pipe and has no problem dumping 10 rnds of the chzech surp into a nice round 3" group @ 100m. not bad with using a non magnified sight(eotech). put on my 1.5x5 leup and i can get 10 into 2" @ 100mtr with the surplus (when i do my part ;)).
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I'm an impulse buyer, and dropped a deposit on an xcr before I investigated the accuracy numbers. I must admit I'm quite turned off by them, some people are getting great accuracy but it sounds like most have it rough. For those of us that like shooting in the woods though, we'll pay the extra price for the non-restricted status and hunt for cures to accuracy issues. For me nothing can beat a non-restricted semi auto with a stack of 10round lar15 mags, and hopefully these barrels from ATR are the cats a$$. I have an RPAL but I hate the range and I'd hate to be limited to it.
 
If you shoot cheap ammo you get cheap ammo groups. I have shot PMC 55gr through my Noveske and KAC SR15 and had 2 inch groups. When I switch to Black hills 77 gr match or Hornady 75gr Amax its an inch or under. Use quality ammo and you get quality groups. As well make sure your barrel is properly secured and that you properly broke the rifle in when it comes to the XCR. If the barrel is loose at all you will get crap groups.
 
^^^ Exactly! I don't understand why people ask what kind of accuracy they are capable of and then limit it to cheap shells. Yes, many cheap shells will be fired with one, but this is in no way an accurate representation of "what they are capable of". Many of the accuracy "problems" that I have seen stem from the fact that the barrel bolt is a little loose. Keep the bolt tight and feed them good shells and I have had no problem keeping 5 shot groups between 1 and 1.5 inches at 100 yards.
 
Well when the op asks about accuracy there has to be a reason and some benchmark to compare the groups to. In this case the best possible would be an ar the worst sks or mini. I thought it was obvious the op wanted to see if it was worth buyin an xcr. So my opinion is no you can get a mini and even a troy stock and get away cheaper.
 
I am not interested in AR's for their accuracy.

And I think many of us (including myself) who own XCR's are not interested with accuracy either. The ones who are, may be interested for the wrong reasons.

If i want to tear ragged holes in paper from 500m away, I'll pull out my bolt guns. Christ, I have 40 year old hunting rifles barely capable of 2 moa with reloads and they still drop bucks. Yet we expect better from our mass produced semi's.

I own black rifles so i can throw 10 rounds down range as fast as I can, at a paper shaped human from 50yds away (sometimes less). And as long as I do my job, my rifle does hers - AR, XCR, whatever...

I understand the appeal of the XCR as it is non-res, that's why I bought it - to show off to my buddys in the bush on camping trips. But in all honesty, how many of us use ours for hunting or precision shooting? And for those of us who do - if you missed your target with your XCR, do you really think you would have hit it with your bolt gun?

just my view...
 
If I can make a suggestion to all the XCR owners out there.

It would be worthwhile to remove the gas block to clean it and the barrel mating surface every once in a while. I just spent the last two days trying to remove a gas block from a well used barrel. :eek:

It eventually came off ...... but only after the judicious use of well directed force.

Removing the gas block regularily is easy to do and nearly impossible to bugger up so there is no good reason not to do it.
 
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