Posse #4?
Cowboys shooting it out, right now
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Posse #4?
stormbringer
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What people having FUN with FULL POWER handguns?
There are always those that will take the "win at all costs" too far, regardless of the shooting discipline....SASS does have minimum power rules, but unless it`s a major match (End of the Trail), then organizers rely on the honesty of the competitors....Now, shooting lower powered, "PPC" loads may be necessary for the older crowd who may have problems with recoil due to say, arthritis....Frankly, I would like to see a category (modern) for those that shoot SAA`s with adjustable sights, and using non-cowboy traditional calibers like, 38 special, 357 mag, 44 mag/special, 45 acp or the "new" co-called 45 "cowboy special" (a case shorter than the 45 Schofield)........For those that wish to shoot a downloaded 45 COLT (JUST COLT! NOT LONG.. wheeze, pant), then shoot the 45 Schofield, aka 45 S&W....I only shoot 45 Colt, 250gr bullet, BP load (unless I feel lazy and don`t want the BP cleaning chore, I load smokeless that rivals the BP fps....But then, I also load 12ga using BP and brass shotshells....
In the end, let the, "win at all costs" crowd do their thing, because for the rest of us, it`s all about having fun and meeting new people to swap tall stories....
Texas Jack
Hmmmm, and I thought IPSC was about running and shooting as fast as you can, with the most expensive equipment you can buy, and all the while looking down on everyone else that are involved in those "inferior' shooting disciplines....Has IPSC changed that much recently?..
Welllllll....If you want to shoot a 38, then shoot a 38-40...If you want to shoot a 44, then shoot a 44-40 (not a 44 mag/special)....If you disallow .38 and .357 then you will lose half of the CAS members. The .38 was in vogue just after the US Civil War in the .36 cal cap and ball conversions. One cannot state that the .38 cal is not period correct. There are some who say that if it doesn't start with 4, then it doesn't count. Are you going to tell Wild Bill Hickok who carried a pair of .38's that he shoots wimp loads? Well, not to his face anyways.
Cheers!
It`s not a matter of disallowing the .38spc or .357mag, just put them in a modern category...But Sass recently changed the categories and blended Traditional (fixed sights) with modern (adjustable sights)....The reason being that with the new requirement for larger targets (16"x16"), and closer (7yds), then those with adjustable sights no longer have the advantage....
Well as soon as you start keeping score...it's a contest (game)
Hmmmm, and I thought IPSC was about running and shooting as fast as you can, with the most expensive equipment you can buy, and all the while looking down on everyone else that are involved in those "inferior' shooting disciplines....Has IPSC changed that much recently?..
hhmmm.....this thread seems to have a distinct anti IPSC flavor...I guess it's not "looking down" at other shooting sports when you're wearing a silly hat
Cowboy Shootist
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hhmmm.....this thread seems to have a distinct anti IPSC flavor...I guess it's not "looking down" at other shooting sports when you're wearing a silly hat
Yes those baseball hats that the IPSC guys seem to wear sure are silly, I guess they can't find the traditional acubra or stetson that real shooters wear. heheheh. Just kidding, love IPSC, would love to try it, perhaps I will get the opportunity one day. All shooting disciplines rule, get out there and try them all.
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Now that is the attitude of a sportsman......
I compromised...I wear a Shady Brady at the IPSC Matches. I like to consider myself to be a Modern Cowboy
Hmmmm, and I thought IPSC was about running and shooting as fast as you can, with the most expensive equipment you can buy, and all the while looking down on everyone else that are involved in those "inferior' shooting disciplines....Has IPSC changed that much recently?..
Not sure but my equipment is cheaper than most of the cowboy shooters and I have fun
Hmmmm, and I thought IPSC was about running and shooting as fast as you can, with the most expensive equipment you can buy, and all the while looking down on everyone else that are involved in those "inferior' shooting disciplines....Has IPSC changed that much recently?..
That sure is what I remember about IPSC between '87 & '97 in BC & Saskatchewan, except you were also allowed to look down the nose at other IPSC shooters with lesser equipment. No, I'm not bashing IPSC, that is just the experiences that I had. In 10 years of shooting sometimes 15 to 20 matches a year in IPSC, I can say I seen a lot of it, even at the club match level. It really doesn't matter what discipline you shoot, it is just the fact that when egos become part and parcel of the discipline the discipline goes down hill. I rarely ever see an arguement over scores in Cowboy action, in IPSC during my years, it seemed the norm at most matches. When your willing to drop $100+ to prove/argue a point, I think the fun has left the discipline. Storm I have no doubt you have had many pleasant experiences shooting your discipline, but have you ever wondered why your discipline has a low retention rate after people complete their black badge?
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I have had nothing but good experiences and at my club the IPSC section continues to grow.
meanwhile..........CAS has had at least 3 abortive attempts to start up.
The fact is that it requires a core group of people to start up any sort of shooting program and keep it going regardless of discipline.
And we are working on number 4, and I'm not even a member of EESA. Seriously though, people whine and complain sometimes but only if you pay any attention to it does it give any encouragement to whiners to keep going. If people could just learn to let the whiners go and just ignore them and not encourage them by paying attention to them, then ALL shooting sports would be better and attract and keep more participants. Just my $1.05.
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Actually, having looked into it; the retention rate for IPSC is no different than any other sport; Golf, Baseball, racing, skiing, tennis, etc. It is amazing how many people try a competitive sport and then find something else that tickles their fancy.
The reason it is so often noted is because the initial investment required by the sport to bring the new competitor up to speed. A new golfer just shows up at the course, while a new IPSC shooter takes his training first. When golfer doesn't go back, no one notices - but in IPSC, the organization notices because they invested time into getting the person rolling in the first place.
Cowboy Shooting's success in the USA is because it focuses less as being a sport and more on the social aspect. I have little doubt that if you look at the people who shoot Cowboy matches to win, (rather than hang around and eat beans with like minded people) you'll find a similar retention rate to IPSC.
That all said, Quigley & Storm put it correctly; this became an IPSC bashing thread and you guys got called on it, yet again demonstrating how we shooters are our own worst enemies; willingly dividing us all and allowing us to be conquered.
There are better ways to promote your pastime than doing it on the back of bashing someone else's pastime.
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I just look at cowboy shooting as kind of 19th century IPSC. I have watched IPSC and think it's kind of neat however, I did some of that in the military, Browning 9mm and the SMG.
Each to his/her preference, we are all just living out our fantasies, old fashion or modern. I don't knock their shooting sport, I hope they don't knock mine. I'm sure God loves us both equally.
Cheers!
I have watched IPSC and think it's kind of neat however, I did some of that in the military, Browning 9mm and the SMG.Each to his/her preference, we are all just living out our fantasies, old fashion or modern. I don't knock their shooting sport, I hope they don't knock mine. I'm sure God loves us both equally.
Cheers!
I wasn't bashing IPSC you guys are too sensitive. I was talking about how the race for speed much like IPSC had caused cowboy shooters to adapt to smaller calibers and lighter loads. That the demand to win was taking away from using realistic cowboy calibers.
Not everyone is out to beat up IPSC, each sport offers something different. Which is why I love shooting many different handgun sports. Ten years ago most shooters shot realistic cowboy calibers and today most shoot .38's downloaded for the speed to win.
There is enough sand in the sandbox for all of us.
Not everyone is out to beat up IPSC, each sport offers something different. Which is why I love shooting many different handgun sports. Ten years ago most shooters shot realistic cowboy calibers and today most shoot .38's downloaded for the speed to win.
There is enough sand in the sandbox for all of us.
HOWDY ; Just look at the siloutte shooters , oh I forgot there is very few of us or ranges left doing it . WHY? ageing shooters failing to attract new blood , far targets hard to hit ,failure to change to meet what new shooters need .
I love silouetts as I use my cowboy rifle out to 100 yards and big bore 38/55 to 200 yards and get more hits then miss ,postive renforcement.
Place the big targets at half the distance for new hangun shooters , yea i know not enough space on the rail to set up .
SO what I am saying is big close attract shooters as all hits are good.
New blood willing to set up matchs is few and hard to find . OH did you know CRUMLIN in London ONT is haveing a cowboy match SAT . Aug 21
I also shoot pin matchs or hanging clay matchs or anything else I got a gun that will do . Even if it is a single action in a speed semi auto game its a hoot.
I love silouetts as I use my cowboy rifle out to 100 yards and big bore 38/55 to 200 yards and get more hits then miss ,postive renforcement.
Place the big targets at half the distance for new hangun shooters , yea i know not enough space on the rail to set up .
SO what I am saying is big close attract shooters as all hits are good.
New blood willing to set up matchs is few and hard to find . OH did you know CRUMLIN in London ONT is haveing a cowboy match SAT . Aug 21
I also shoot pin matchs or hanging clay matchs or anything else I got a gun that will do . Even if it is a single action in a speed semi auto game its a hoot.
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IHMSA silhouette had a pretty good run - almost 30 years before it died out. I don't how much of it goes on in the States though.
The BPCR Silhouette club I got mixed in with keeps growing and that sport has been around since 1995. It's something I myself wanted to do for the past 9 years, but things - like no money - kept getting in the way. And that has got to be the hardest shooting sport there is. I've been doing it for two years now and the challenge is what keeps me going.
Cowboy Action requires a buttload of work to get going and even to keep going. And I can attest that the problem there is when there is a piano to be moved, most only want to carry the stool - I try NOT to be one of those guys. Our SAWWS club is growing as well. We have 65 some-odd members and at the Last Gasp Shoot that this post started about, I was #57 or so. I was a straggler that only shot Sunday. That's double our number from last year.
I have been meaning to suggest what needs doing is to start categories. There are only a few of us who shoot one hand unsupported or duelist. I'm not in it by no means to be the best of the best, but it'd be nice to only have my scores and times compared to other scores and times shot in similar fashion.
The BPCR Silhouette club I got mixed in with keeps growing and that sport has been around since 1995. It's something I myself wanted to do for the past 9 years, but things - like no money - kept getting in the way. And that has got to be the hardest shooting sport there is. I've been doing it for two years now and the challenge is what keeps me going.
Cowboy Action requires a buttload of work to get going and even to keep going. And I can attest that the problem there is when there is a piano to be moved, most only want to carry the stool - I try NOT to be one of those guys. Our SAWWS club is growing as well. We have 65 some-odd members and at the Last Gasp Shoot that this post started about, I was #57 or so. I was a straggler that only shot Sunday. That's double our number from last year.
I have been meaning to suggest what needs doing is to start categories. There are only a few of us who shoot one hand unsupported or duelist. I'm not in it by no means to be the best of the best, but it'd be nice to only have my scores and times compared to other scores and times shot in similar fashion.
