.35rem vs. .358win

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New to .35 cal, have been looking for a nice .35 rem...no luck yet.
NO, NOT INTERESTED IN .35 whelan at this time....

Some say .35rem is lame, some say .358win is awesome...

.35rem has a case capacity of 2.85cc
.358win has a case capacity of 3.07cc

How much of a difference can .22cc make....enough to claim outdated? Am I missing something here?

Would there be much difference in range and power between these two examples:
- .35rem with a 24in barrel shooting 200gr Hornady Leverevolution
- .358win with a 20in barrel shooting 200gr factory

Is there more to it?
 
If you plan on hunting deer or black bear at woods ranges as your largest game you can't go wrong with the .35 Rem. Great killing gun and mild recoil( my father has run one since 1956 ). However if you throw in moose or the larger bears the .358 with 250 grain bullets packs more punch. My 2 cents.
 
fact, load 35 rem, 200 gr. bullet mv 2210 200 yd mrt 5.2"
" " 358 win 200 gr bullet mv 2530 200yd mrt 4.4
From Cartidges of the world 6th edition
 
The 35 Remington is great for it's limitations of being used in a tube fed lever. But when it comes to bullet selection the 358 Winchester wins hands down,due to the fact it's used in detachable or fixed box magazines.
 
If you like a smaller .35 cal. and you like the handy leverguns, you should consider finding a used .356Win., I found one for $200. It's like a .358 but has a rim for use in Leverguns. It was made in the Win. 94 AE , which is beefed up to handle the larger cart., and you can mount a scope on it easily. The .356 handles the big 250 gr fp cast bullets that I prefer to use in the .35s.
 
The up side for the 35 Remington is that all the major ammo manufactures list a 35 rem cartridge in their line up, they're mostly 200 gr. affairs (with the
exception of Remington, which also lists a 150 gr. and possibly more), if you're not into reloading. While the 358 Win. is only produced by Winchester (only in
200 gr. Silvertip) and they only produce it in a month that has a blue moon and only on leap years, or so it would seem. So the 358 Win. is really a handloading
proposition.
Performance wise I'd say the 358 Win. is by far the better choice of the two cartridges, although the 35 Remington will do the job at shorter distances. That said,
neither cartridge was intended for hunting Prong Horn on the bald a$$ prairie. So what it really boils down to is whether or not you're into reloading.
If you are, I'd go with the 358 Win. it's a far more versatile cartridge.
 
This is exactly what confuses me....358win fans say that it is a far more versatile cartridge....another .35cal fan promotes the .356win...?

Are we saying .22cc powder space makes it far more versatile in .358win and only .6cc in .356win......am I missing something?

I am actually hunting for a nice Remington 14 or 141, it is tube fed but spiral offset in a way that allows pointed bullets so that is not an issue either.

I do handload, but the Leverevolution ammo seems hard to beat.

Open for discussion, looking for feedback.
 
Woodbeef said:
The 35 Remington is great for it's limitations of being used in a tube fed lever. But when it comes to bullet selection the 358 Winchester wins hands down,due to the fact it's used in detachable or fixed box magazines.
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You can also pick up used 760 Remingtons in .35 or the old model 14/141 which have a clever tube mag design which allows the use of pointed bullets if you are so inclined. Neither round is a particularly long range item. There aren't a lot of options bulletwise in the .35 Rem. for a reason, the 200 grain roundnose works fantastic at any reasonable range on any soft skinned game. The 150 in the .35 was an attempt to make the round a longer range proposition but the short bullet length in relation to diameter mean it sheds what extra velocity it does have over the 200 grain very quickly.
 
Get a ballistic chart and compare the 2 rounds. the 358 can be loaded to higher pressures with different powders than the 35rem. the volume difference has no importance if they are loaded with different powders. The 356 (which I have one of) is a rimmed 358 to let it be able to cycle through the model 94. The reloading dies are marked 358/356. Similar to the 307/308. The 35 rem is a great round as are the 356/358 but are loaded to different pressures.
I guess you could compare 30-30/300 sav/308 all great different applications.
 
Mount Sweetness said:
This is exactly what confuses me....358win fans say that it is a far more versatile cartridge....another .35cal fan promotes the .356win...?

Are we saying .22cc powder space makes it far more versatile in .358win and only .6cc in .356win......am I missing something?

I am actually hunting for a nice Remington 14 or 141, it is tube fed but spiral offset in a way that allows pointed bullets so that is not an issue either.

I do handload, but the Leverevolution ammo seems hard to beat.

Open for discussion, looking for feedback.
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The fly in the oinment is that the 358 Win is loaded to much higher pressures, that coupled with greater case capacity = higher velocities. The 35tops out typically with 200 or 220 gr RN bullet (the exception being the leverevolution slug) for use in a tube mag, where the 358 can utilize 250 grain spitzers at a useable speed.

**EDIT - Iceman beat me to it**lol
 
With my Browning BLR in 358 Win I can use any of the bullets you can in the 35 Rem (200gr) but have the option to use 225gr bullets @ 2470fps and 250gr @ 2300+. Its sighted in for 200 yds with 225 Nosler Partitions and is about 10" low @ 300. NOT a short range gun as some would have you believe :D. I routinely get 1 1/4" three shot groups @ 100yds. Hands down, its a winner ;)
http://gunblast.com/Browning-BLR358.htm
http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/the-358-winchester
 
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