Flags on trap houses

woodchopper said:
I can tell you that the standard at all military ranges for all types of firearms and or weapons systems, be it Canadian, British or US (I suspect that all NATO ranges as well) is that the red flag means that that range is active and shooting is in progress. When you change flags to green then the range is on a cease fire. No flags range is closed.

If the old standard for trap ranges was different then I guess some of you will have to get used to change.

Sounds like the argument about having ranges built in yards rather then meters, its dumb, change is going to happen, get over it...... :p :D
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The red flag/green flag system is the standard in use and required for a fixed shooting line. Clay target rules are slightly different. In trap shooting any flag regardless of colour could be interpreted as a signal to not shoot if it is on the trap house. The current CFO requirements as I understand them do not specify that a flag needs to be on the trap house itself unless there is someone downrange or inside it. In sporting clays the red flag is required on the shooting station not on the target thrower.

One club has applied the rules in a way that is opposite to a well established practice and is something shooters should know. My intent starting this thread was to find out if any other club follows the same practice. So far no one does.

This isn't as much of an issue for someone shooting at Silverdale for the first time. However, someone who has shot trap at only Silverdale might be in for a very rude shock at the very least if they attempted to fire when a red flag was flying on a trap house anywhere else.

If Silverdale wants to maintain its system it would make sense to move the flag from the house itself and place it on the firing line. Problem solved.
 
Just to go back a bit. I thought shooting a second shot at the same bird or a piece of it was an accepted way of practicing. I have certainly seen it in meat shoots and have had it recommended to me as a way of practicing looking for my second shot.
 
BCFred said:
Just to go back a bit. I thought shooting a second shot at the same bird or a piece of it was an accepted way of practicing. I have certainly seen it in meat shoots and have had it recommended to me as a way of practicing looking for my second shot.
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Not accepted by all! As long as other shooters on your squad have no objection I do not see any problem. However it is best to check the rules of the club involved. One place I shoot skeet, certain shooters have asked if it would be OK to double tap a missed single or missed first target on doubles. Usually no objection. The clay has been paid for. I have seen shooter do exactly as you said on the trap line and usualy no problem with an informal squad. I have seen shooters change from high 8 to low 8 with a loaded gun:mad: Usually get another ####### installed. I know of some very serious shooters who only want to shoot with those who share their nature. That's OK as well.
 
Covey Ridge said:
Not accepted by all! As long as other shooters on your squad have no objection I do not see any problem. However it is best to check the rules of the club involved. One place I shoot skeet, certain shooters have asked if it would be OK to double tap a missed single or missed first target on doubles. Usually no objection. The clay has been paid for. I have seen shooter do exactly as you said on the trap line and usualy no problem with an informal squad. I have seen shooters change from high 8 to low 8 with a loaded gun:mad: Usually get another a**hole installed. I know of some very serious shooters who only want to shoot with those who share their nature. That's OK as well.
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Good points about making sure what the rules are and that other shooters approve of what you intend. One chap that practices here shot one of my birds after I had taken my shot and it made me jump as I didn't expect it. It seems inconsiderate though I don't think it was intended that way in this case. (Come to think of it he has the annoying habit of moving his gun and getting ready to mount it after I have mounted mine:D.) We don't load two shells at any time on station 8 and it seems like a good rule to me. If you have a loaded gun when changing stations it introduces some hazard. It's just another thing that can go wrong. I suspect it would change the way you concentrate on the shots too, especially when shooting two shots at #8 low house. Given that the game is one of concentration such a change might not be particularly helpful unless one wants to make a ritual out of a behaviour that is increasing risk.
 
was back on Sunday...and took a picture for you guys to prove we were not breaking any rules. ahahha

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Hey guys, I'd also like to point out that silverdale has 2 trap ranges. Video is from # 2 where all flags hung on house. When I was back sunday, field 1 has a pole away from house with red flag. Only green flag gets hung on house when cease fire/loading.

To clarify :)
 
cptseawolf said:
Hey guys, I'd also like to point out that silverdale has 2 trap ranges. Video is from # 2 where all flags hung on house. When I was back sunday, field 1 has a pole away from house with red flag. Only green flag gets hung on house when cease fire/loading.

To clarify :)
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So the rules aren't even consistent at the range? Why have two different procedures at the same range? :confused:
 
So the rules aren't even consistent at the range? Why have two different procedures at the same range?
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They use same flags for all ranges, and are hardly holding trap events.

They don't want to confuse the people that just pay a day rate of $20. That's right!!!! You don't have to be a member, to shoot there. Amazing idea!
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Now I am confused:confused:
 
I said that I wouldn't be back on this thread because of comments made by inexperienced shooters on the trap line but, someone made a very good safety point! What if these shooters went to a proper trap range and was used to these weird flag rules?? Wounded or dead trapboy??
 
Same here.

On Military ranges, a red flag is raised when the range is hot, and access is controlled at that time.

No flag or a green flag means it is safe to move about the range.

Our trap club has only red flags, and they are used at the entrance from the parking lot to indicate the range is in use, and on the firing line to indicate hot. First in raises it, and last out lowers it.

It really is an item that should be standardized. An accident due to confusion by a new shooter (or a traveller) would only hurt the sport.
 
Claybuster said:
So the rules aren't even consistent at the range? Why have two different procedures at the same range? :confused:
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The flag rules are exactly the same. Just the placement of them.

They obviously built trap field 1 first and had a pole there. Trap 2 does not have a pole so they just use the house to fly both colours. It isnt confusing at all.

red fire....green dont.
 
cptseawolf said:
You now have 5 pages between 2 threads in 2 sections discussing flags at a club uv never been to, prob won't ever be to, and doesn't care about your flag anxiety.
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Unanimously folks have shown that this practice is contrary to other trap clubs, just like the OP asked.

Different range, different rules. Right, wrong or other it is abnormal to see this practice in use on a trap range.
 
Where I shot trap for 25 years, there was no flag while shooting. If there was a problem, the trap boy would wave and then put up a red flag. Same at the end of the squad, the red flag would come up.Guns would be made safe when the red flag was up. We ran many ATA shoots this way. There was no flags at the Grand American either.
Perhaps the red/green flags are meant for non serious or casual shooters who are acustomed to the red/green flag system of the rifle/ pistol ranges.
 
bmcrae said:
Wow, I've never seen that application of flags before.

I have seen a lot of the Red Flag/Green Flag but Typically behind the range, or at least the behind firing line. I've never seen a flag ON a house before.

Wouldn't be the way I'd want to do it.

Brad.
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We have a flag pole at out trap range, and when the flag is flying the range is in operation.
HOWEVER, no one pays attention to it, because the one that matters is the particular flag on each trap house - if it's up , that range is closed.
Cat
 
Claybuster said:
The red flag/green flag system is the standard in use and required for a fixed shooting line. Clay target rules are slightly different. In trap shooting any flag regardless of colour could be interpreted as a signal to not shoot if it is on the trap house.
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Here's the latest. CFO just advised us that we must now have a YELLOW flag on the trap house when it is being reloaded/serviced.
 
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