can new brunswick wardens demand gun papers ??

[stubblejumper]

the PAL has the ability to be swiped in a card reader and it should tell whoever has the card reader what guns are registered to you, should it not? I'm not sure as to why the registry was made if the technology does not work at roadside for the officer checking you out, the paper registration cert shoudld mearly be a backup in case of computer failure.

Using that same logic,try telling that to a police officer when he asks for your drivers license.

 

[noneck180]

Carry the fricken registration and be done with it. J.C this has been hashed out over and over, take some copies and tape them in your guncase.

 

[X-man]

Technically, you are supposed to carry your firearms license and registration certificate with you no matter what province you are in. However, quite a few provinces have instructed their provincial conservation officers not to request reg. certs when doing hunting license checks. An unofficial "official" policy of don't ask, don't tell.

At times, you may find RCMP accompanying provincial Conservation Officers. At times, even in provinces where the government isn't C-68 friendly and isn't enforcing reg. cert rules, you can run into the occasional "gung-ho" mountie who will demand to see your reg. cert and PAL/POL anyway.

I simply made colour photocopies of my PAL and reg certs, laminated them and stuck them in one of those inexpensive plastic insurance folders, along with my various hunting licenses and trappers license. It always remains in my ruck, which goes with my everyday I'm afield.

Easier to do this and give the 1 in a hundred A-hole, over-zealous cop you may have the bad misfortune to encounter no where to go. I ran into such a fellow last season. He was all pumped up, ready to deliver a lecture about the necessity to have my paperwork in order, while the conservation officer he was accompanying just shook his head in disgust at the self-important asshat, when I reached into my ruck and produced copies of the reg. certs for my firearm and that of my father and brother, who were hunting with me and who were using firearms registered to me. Took the wind right out of his sails, and put a smile on the Conservation Officer's face.

It is these idiots that are giving all cops a bad name in hunting circles. I've got a number of LEOs in the family and have gotten to know many of their fellow officers through them. Most are great guys, many are fellow hunters and generally most of them would never willingly hassle law-abiding hunters. However, there is always one self-important pr*ck...that is the guy every hunter needs to be prepared for, if you don't, you're taking your chances.

 

[TheCoachZed]

Have had three gun-related "run-ins" with NB COs.

1). Was simply walking into woods looking for a place to sight in rifle on first day of bear season. Didn't find such a place, walked out, then was greeted by COs who had been called by a woman who thought we were going to shoot the beaver living in a pond behind her house. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Had no complications or problems whatsoever - we told them what we were doing and they said it was OK. They also thought my SKS was pretty cool.

2). Later that bear season, was sighting in at a government-approved pit. Alas, I had forgotten my wallet at home - no driver's licence, no bear licence. Stupid, but it happens to everyone once in a blue moon. So when a CO came along, he was quite understanding and didn't ticket me, but confiscated my guns until I produced my licence. He said I could pick them up at the station. When I told him I couldn't get them home from the station (only vehicle I had at the time was a motorcycle) he then drove to my house, waited for me to get home, then returned my guns once I produced my bear licence and my registration certificates. So technically he wouldn't have had to ask for my reg certs if he hadn't had to seize my guns, which he wouldn't have had to do if I remembered my licence. The guy was polite and extremely helpful through the whole thing and I got nothing more than I deserved for forgetting my wallet. In fact, I got a huge break.

3). While driving on the highway this past August I decided to kill two birds with one stone - get some crow hunting in to practice for upcoming duck season, as well as try my new 16 gauge out. Alas, some civic-minded individual saw me unloading my gun getting into my truck, reported me to the cops as loading my gun, who then sent two cars after me, held me at gunpoint and cuffed me (while I neither said anything smart or did anything threatening) and then proceeded to hold me until a CO came along and told them I wasn't breaking any laws. They gave me a lecture on "unsafe transport" because my gun wasn't cased and locked (I set them straight on that one, too), they gave me a lecture because I didn't have a CFC-issue sticker on my shotgun (there wasn't one on it when I bought it, so I didn't know it was missing), but neither the CO nor the RCMP asked for reg certs here (the RCMP did apologize, though, and the CO gave me some coyote-hunting tips).

 

[PeakXV]

The following off the RCMP website is based on a hypothetical situation where the police receive a notice that an individual is in possesion of illegal firearm - because - they let their license expire. Even in this case, they(the police) are advised to proceed accordingly & take legal counsel when/where necessary.

Now that the amnesty remains in place, what should Police do when they receive a notice from the CFP Registrar, indicating that a particular individual is in illegal possession of firearms because their licence has expired and their registration certificates have been revoked?

Police officers have certain discretion. Here are a few things to keep in mind when deciding what action to take:

•Check the class of the firearms listed on the notice of registration revocation. The amnesty only applies to non-restricted firearms, not to restricted or prohibited firearms. If you are not sure about the class of a firearm listed on a registration revocation notice, please contact CFP through one of the means described below. Expert staff will be happy to assist you.
•Individuals to whom the amnesty applies will not incur criminal liability for possessing a non-restricted firearm without a valid licence or registration certificate. However, they are still in unauthorized possession of the firearm and Police have the authority to seize the firearm at their discretion.
•You may wish to conduct a risk assessment. In doing so, you could consider whether the person is of interest in your area, has prior convictions or arrests, and any other information that indicates there may be public safety concern.
•Your agency’s legal counsel may advise you further on what action to take if you still have questions.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/police/20100319-pol78-eng.htm




A print off of the above rules, as hypothetical & slightly ambiguous as they are, would probably be enough to pass any roadside non restricted, long gun blitz. This is assuming that your PAL has not expired, have no prior, current or pending convictions or legal troubles, have no booze on your breath, & that you are fully aware that you must register said non restricted firearm by May 16th, 2011.

A description of the firearm in question along with a legal description of what a constitutes a nonrestricted firearm might also be advised - should the officer in question be absolutely 100% clueless(it happens) on identifying the class of a firearm on the spot.

Why bother? Well fair is fair & there is a federally imposed amnesty on the registration of non restricted firearms. Not all recent/current owners have acquired their guns from JoeShmoeGuns.com &/or the local outdoor supplier either - many are family hand-me-downs, sudden gifts &/or surprises at best.


The confusion over this federal amnesty for the good law abiding citizens, particularly for the more & more Canadians who are having these family heirlooms passed down to them, is mind boggling.

The resentment, confusion, scaremongering, bellyaching, threatening, word play & in some cases fraud(Re: This Post) by those other, disappointing.


However the law couldn't be more clearer or in bolder black & white. For law abiding citizens who own unrestricted firearms:

The amnesty term has been extended until May 16, 2011.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/police/20100319-pol78-eng.htm

 

[mmattockx]

the PAL has the ability to be swiped in a card reader and it should tell whoever has the card reader what guns are registered to you, should it not? I'm not sure as to why the registry was made if the technology does not work at roadside for the officer checking you out, the paper registration cert shoudld mearly be a backup in case of computer failure.

Don't think I am defending any portion of C-68, including registration. It is all bull#### and needs to be removed, the entire travesty.

That said, all I am doing is pointing out what the rules currently are. Whether they can swipe your PAL or not or can ascertain if a gun is registered to you by another method, section 91 of the CC clearly states that you must have a copy of the cert with you when you are in possession of a gun. It's ridiculous, useless and a PITA, but it is there.

Mark

 

[Brian46]

Using that same logic,try telling that to a police officer when he asks for your drivers license.

he needs the licence to swipe it, so how could you refuse that request? your drivers licence has the same technology in it as the PAL.

 

[Brian46]

Don't think I am defending any portion of C-68, including registration. It is all bulls**t and needs to be removed, the entire travesty.

That said, all I am doing is pointing out what the rules currently are. Whether they can swipe your PAL or not or can ascertain if a gun is registered to you by another method, section 91 of the CC clearly states that you must have a copy of the cert with you when you are in possession of a gun. It's ridiculous, useless and a PITA, but it is there.

Mark

I understand the rules and follow them, I just don't understand why they spent the money on the registry and technology and do not use it to it's full potential, just another reason IMO as to why they should scrap the whole idea.

 

[Pepperpopper]

One advantage to fishing and bowhunting, in 50 years seen only one CO, while fishing he wanted to check us for life jackets as I recall.

NB always seems very bureaucratic. Small place with more rules than Ontario. The Premier did a tour across the country about 5 years back trying to encourage people who were working in other provinces to return to NB. Mostly they were thinking economic issues, but the bureaucracy is the part that would keep me away. If anyone has dreamed up a rule it is going to be on the books in NB. Too bad, great place.

 

[NB.nagantsniper]

ok...................................