now i understand why i wasnt getting it..my norc has a perfectly straight barrel , with the sight perfectly fitted... its my only norinco ; so i wouldnt have understood.
and the intel on the ww2 corner shot rifle is on the house.
Did the Germans have anything special in development as far as firearms at the end..?
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now i understand why i wasnt getting it..my norc has a perfectly straight barrel , with the sight perfectly fitted... its my only norinco ; so i wouldnt have understood.
and the intel on the ww2 corner shot rifle is on the house.
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The German infantry section was built around the machine gun. The bolt action rifles were carried by guys whose "other" job was lugging boxes of ammunition.
The average German rifleman was armed with a lesser rifle than the No.4 (no aperature sight, high factory zero, small magazine capacity, etc) or the Garand. He had a better rifle than the Moisin Nagant, but IMHO not by much.
The German SMGs weren't as progressive as we might like to think. The MP40 was probably better than almost every other SMG, but these were in competition with machine carbines in pistol cartridges with full wood stocks.
The one place the Germans were ahead of the Allies was to issue a decent semi-automatic rifle with an integral scope base. Every G43 has the place to mount their widely issued (although low powered) infantry telescope. It took a lot of effort from their strained war machine, but they managed to get 2 or 3 power small diameter scopes out to the average rifleman. The G43 is a flawed design, which has flashes of brilliance. Had they been able to put another 6 months of concentrated effort into getting it more ready, the G43 would have been a much better rifle. For that lack of preparedness, many many Allied soldiers were glad to be alive.
The other advance was the apparent widespread issuing of disposable Panzerfausts against large Allied armoured forces. The American bazooka was good, but the Germans had a bigger warhead. It is the direct ancestor of the contemporary RPG.
The average German rifleman was armed with a lesser rifle than the No.4 (no aperature sight, high factory zero, small magazine capacity, etc) or the Garand. He had a better rifle than the Moisin Nagant, but IMHO not by much.
The German SMGs weren't as progressive as we might like to think. The MP40 was probably better than almost every other SMG, but these were in competition with machine carbines in pistol cartridges with full wood stocks.
The one place the Germans were ahead of the Allies was to issue a decent semi-automatic rifle with an integral scope base. Every G43 has the place to mount their widely issued (although low powered) infantry telescope. It took a lot of effort from their strained war machine, but they managed to get 2 or 3 power small diameter scopes out to the average rifleman. The G43 is a flawed design, which has flashes of brilliance. Had they been able to put another 6 months of concentrated effort into getting it more ready, the G43 would have been a much better rifle. For that lack of preparedness, many many Allied soldiers were glad to be alive.
The other advance was the apparent widespread issuing of disposable Panzerfausts against large Allied armoured forces. The American bazooka was good, but the Germans had a bigger warhead. It is the direct ancestor of the contemporary RPG.
As far as small arms go, #1 has to go to the fact they pioneered and perfected the use of the General Purpose Machine Gun -king of the battlefield.
They were decades ahead of the Allies in terms of their process of combined operations, desite not being fully mobilized for war at the outbreak.
Little known facts, but the French and British were more mobile at the start of the Western campagne in 1940, as too were the Russians in the East in 1941.
Despite being assured by Hitler they would not enter into hostilities until they were fully prepared, the German General Corps were let down by his madness, and the world was arguably let off the hook by them launching into WWII without being at the level they wanted to be at.
Had they been fully mobilized before dropping the safety, the Eastern front would have looked like Iraq in 1990...
They were decades ahead of the Allies in terms of their process of combined operations, desite not being fully mobilized for war at the outbreak.
Little known facts, but the French and British were more mobile at the start of the Western campagne in 1940, as too were the Russians in the East in 1941.
Despite being assured by Hitler they would not enter into hostilities until they were fully prepared, the German General Corps were let down by his madness, and the world was arguably let off the hook by them launching into WWII without being at the level they wanted to be at.
Had they been fully mobilized before dropping the safety, the Eastern front would have looked like Iraq in 1990...
I'd like to know where to find more details on those submarines? I haven't previously heard of them getting to the beginning, let alone the middle of production of such things.
I have read of German naval estimates that said the Kriegsmarine could be ready to challenge the Royal Navy around 1948, and that the number of submarines they would need for an effective blockade of the British Isles was 30-50 more than they had in 1939.
Panzerschrek was a copy of the zook on roids, much more effective, but also much larger.
Faust was not a copy of the bazooka, completely different operation/design/concept.
The Panzerfaust was easy and cheap to produce and could be fired with NO training
in the battle of berlin they were given out to anyone who could use them young childern to old men
the instructions were printed on the tube and that was the only training you got in many cases. they all had Achtung! Feuerstrahl! ("Attention! Fire Jet!"). to warn against backblast
in the city fighting they were VERY effective you could hide in rubble and wait for the tank to close range on you
by 1945 the germans were low on antitank guns so the panzerfaust filled the gap and destroyed many russian tanks
in the battle of berlin they were given out to anyone who could use them young childern to old men
the instructions were printed on the tube and that was the only training you got in many cases. they all had Achtung! Feuerstrahl! ("Attention! Fire Jet!"). to warn against backblast
in the city fighting they were VERY effective you could hide in rubble and wait for the tank to close range on you
by 1945 the germans were low on antitank guns so the panzerfaust filled the gap and destroyed many russian tanks
Yeah the Germans definitely has some influential and advanced tech.
They coined the assault rifle and the intermediate round,
They produced the first ballistic missile,
They produced the first jet fighter and jet bomber,
They produced the first mass used recoilless anti-tank shaped charge
And a lot of their weapons designs were borrowed and helped develop future weapons like the m60, CETME, G3, AK-47
They coined the assault rifle and the intermediate round,
They produced the first ballistic missile,
They produced the first jet fighter and jet bomber,
They produced the first mass used recoilless anti-tank shaped charge
And a lot of their weapons designs were borrowed and helped develop future weapons like the m60, CETME, G3, AK-47
Most of the German army was still horse drawn, half of their PZ divisions in 1940 were made up of Pz1 and II. However they had learned the lessons of Liddel and Hart and employed combined arms far more effectivly than the Allies until 1944. The BEF was the most mechanized force at the begining of the war.
try the mk 21 u-boat- the big one- but from what i understand , it was carried externally on the aft deck in a canister- not internally- probably had the aft casing strengthened and widened to accomodate the v2- might have also been a mission for the mk9 ( seekew or sea-cow) but not the smaller more prevelent u-boats- mk7
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Lee Enfield
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The "late war US designs" you refer to were Balao tang, and Tench class "Guppy" "fleet class" submarines which (post war) had their superstructures removed and recontoured into a more streamlined shape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Underwater_Propulsion_Power_Program
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/guppy.htm
http://guppysubmarinetribute.homestead.com/Tribute.html
Some of the boats which had not yet been completed were apparently redesigned in the ship-yard before they were launched.
I don't believe any of this project was started before May 1945.
The Panzerfaust was certainly the conceptual ancestor to later disposable tube AT launchers, such as the LAW, Armbrust, or AT4.
I believe that when the Russians developed the RPG, they started with the Panzerfaust and developed a reusable tube version.
The bazooka and Panzerschrek are true rocket launchers, in which the rocket motor is ignited inside the launch tube. Any of the other weapons described above use a booster charge launch the projectile before the rocket motor ignites; they are like a recoilless rifle, albeit usually smoothbore. Some RPG rounds are actually ballistic only, with no rocket motor.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato_class_submarine
Bigger than a German TypeIX, the Gato's were early shallow water boats, restricted to diving @300', they were obsolete from that perspective before the war started for the US, as German boats were regularily exceeding 700-900' in combat emergencies.
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Don't forget the hand held Mini gun! 
Really?
I seem to remember an article about the theoretical possibility of coherent light beams in "Scientific American", back in the 1950s..... about 10 years after the war ended.
There has been such an incredible amount of pure MANURE written regarding German developments that it ain't even funny. Friend sent me a piece, asked for a critique: bloody Nazi flying saucers armed with mixed 88mm and 128mm guns, escorted by twice as many HO-9 fighters as were ever built, zipping along the Amazon Valley, festooned with hakenkreuzes and Balkan crosses. Thing would have to be built as strong as a Tank, just to handle the recoil of the guns, which means that it would have to use an inertialess drive in order to perform the way they are said to perform.... and we don't even have the mathematical theory to permit such. Just garbage.
They did make some very real developments, though: Class XXI U-boat remained in production until the late 1950s, which is part of what enabled the Soviet Onion to have the world's largest submarine fleet.... they just kept turning the things out like popcorn while the rest of the world was at "peace".
Where they did make some really lasting contributions was in organic chemistry. My old boss told me that his outfit (Waffen-SS) got a Christmas present from Adolf in 1944. Every man got a small bar of CHOCOLATE. It was made out of coal. They were ahead in that, definitely, also in coal-gas conversion (check out a modern oil refinery for what this means today). As to their atomic program, get a book called HEISENBERG'S WAR. It analyses the situation pretty carefully. Werner Heisenberg was the ONLY really top nuclear scientist left in Germany, all the others (Jews, for the most part) having gone to England and to the USA..... and Heisenberg did not trust Adolf with The Bomb. Heisenberg lobbied extensively for nuclear power, but to construct a power reactor. It has been said that he didn't know enough to build a bomb but, when he heard what had hapened at Hiroshima, he gave the other scientists with whom he was interned a very solid lecture, only hours later, detailing what had to have been in the bomb, how it was built and so forth. The man was a bit sharper than he looked..... quite sharp enough that he wouldnt let Adolf have even a sniff of The Bomb.
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I seem to remember an article about the theoretical possibility of coherent light beams in "Scientific American", back in the 1950s..... about 10 years after the war ended.
There has been such an incredible amount of pure MANURE written regarding German developments that it ain't even funny. Friend sent me a piece, asked for a critique: bloody Nazi flying saucers armed with mixed 88mm and 128mm guns, escorted by twice as many HO-9 fighters as were ever built, zipping along the Amazon Valley, festooned with hakenkreuzes and Balkan crosses. Thing would have to be built as strong as a Tank, just to handle the recoil of the guns, which means that it would have to use an inertialess drive in order to perform the way they are said to perform.... and we don't even have the mathematical theory to permit such. Just garbage.
They did make some very real developments, though: Class XXI U-boat remained in production until the late 1950s, which is part of what enabled the Soviet Onion to have the world's largest submarine fleet.... they just kept turning the things out like popcorn while the rest of the world was at "peace".
Where they did make some really lasting contributions was in organic chemistry. My old boss told me that his outfit (Waffen-SS) got a Christmas present from Adolf in 1944. Every man got a small bar of CHOCOLATE. It was made out of coal. They were ahead in that, definitely, also in coal-gas conversion (check out a modern oil refinery for what this means today). As to their atomic program, get a book called HEISENBERG'S WAR. It analyses the situation pretty carefully. Werner Heisenberg was the ONLY really top nuclear scientist left in Germany, all the others (Jews, for the most part) having gone to England and to the USA..... and Heisenberg did not trust Adolf with The Bomb. Heisenberg lobbied extensively for nuclear power, but to construct a power reactor. It has been said that he didn't know enough to build a bomb but, when he heard what had hapened at Hiroshima, he gave the other scientists with whom he was interned a very solid lecture, only hours later, detailing what had to have been in the bomb, how it was built and so forth. The man was a bit sharper than he looked..... quite sharp enough that he wouldnt let Adolf have even a sniff of The Bomb.
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Back on track, the roller locked delayed blow-back MG-45, the true ancestor of the CETME program (and the Swiss MG710) which resulted in H&K purchasing a licence to build what became the G3 family,
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