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I am wondering how we don't have a price estimate, at least on the sub 2000? If they are made and ready to go as Vault claims I don't see how Keltec would not have a price for him, and in turn a price for us. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense. Even if it is give or take 100 bucks, just something a little more concrete than "under 1000"!
WTF?
 
fnrob said:
See post 25.:)
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Why ;) , whoever could have posted # 25 ? :p

fnrob said:
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Vault is only the distributor, not a retailer that imports and sells to the public and other retailers. They can only give a rough estimate of what would be a reasonable ceiling for the retail price.
mlehtovaara said:
I am wondering how we don't have a price estimate, at least on the sub 2000? If they are made and ready to go as Vault claims I don't see how Keltec would not have a price for him, and in turn a price for us. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense. Even if it is give or take 100 bucks, just something a little more concrete than "under 1000"!
WTF?
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I still do not see why we cannot get a bal park figure. I have heard from a second party they are putting it at a grand. I have been asked not to say which supplier but it is going to be announced here and they are a site supporter. I have listed a couple guns for sale to but a sub, I will be pissed if I sell a gun or two to find out they are over priced. $420-450 US should be 600 max here or I cannot bring myself to buy it. They have .40 cal and 9mm coming in from what we have been told.
 
With regards to the RFB. When Walt at Arms East was trying to get them in the ballpark was thought to be around 2K. Then we heard an estimate of $2500 when Vault was bringing them in. Both were thrown out there as retail prices. Sorry can't remember which threads but I clearly recall those figures being thrown around (I've been following the RFB for a long time now).

After talking to one of the retailers, I received some foreshadowing that it may be even more. So the price keeps going up. The law of supply and demand I guess. But I have to say as much as I want a RFB. If the price gets too stupid I'll pass until it's more reasonable. Or I'll make due with conventional rifles at reasonable prices.

We'll see. .I just have a bad feeling that price hijacking is in progress. I really want one of these but my rape/pillage victimization tolerances are getting fairly low these days.
 
of course they are going to overcharge us all. theres always that group of people that can afford to pay well over the actual price to get things. if you found out some of what these guns we buy new are supposed to cost you would sh!t a brick.

hence why marstar/norinco are so great!!!!!

if they charge more than 2500 you will know for sure you are getting ripped off.

I just hope that the su16 is affordable when it comes in....
 
To really hit it home...from my readings (and this is on the RFB mind you) it seems the the dealer price in the U.S. is $1187 with MSRP of $1880. Most sell for something like $1500 +/-. Now for us it'll be $2499...yes, that is quite a bit higher but is it ultimately going to stop me from purchasing one? Not a chance...from reading all the crap they're going through to get it here (and the fact it is just so tacticool) I will definitely grab one (and give a big Hi-5 doing it). Are people making money off me? Sure thing...but that's economics for you...
 
Epoxy7 said:
After talking to one of the retailers, I received some foreshadowing that it may be even more. So the price keeps going up. The law of supply and demand I guess.
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True. As I said, the excitement of some ("I will pay ANYTHING!!!!") right here on CGN overhypes everything. Dumb! Add to that is your organization's lab then takes that hype to as a new target. They find some way to #### over the importation, or assessment. They'd get a single shot Cooey to go full auto if they could.
 
driller212 said:
if they charge more than 2500 you will know for sure you are getting ripped off.
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First, you are only ever "ripped off" if you are promised something at a certain price and get less.

If the RFB's are priced at $10,000 each and sell out in a week, then the price was set correctly - maybe too low.

If they are priced at $2600 and sell in an hour, they were surely priced too low.

Second, if you think you can do better, lay out all the cash, take all the risk of your shipment being seized and held indefinitely, and set yourself up as an importer.
 
acrashb said:
First, you are only ever "ripped off" if you are promised something at a certain price and get less.

If the RFB's are priced at $10,000 each and sell out in a week, then the price was set correctly - maybe too low.

If they are priced at $2600 and sell in an hour, they were surely priced too low.

Second, if you think you can do better, lay out all the cash, take all the risk of your shipment being seized and held indefinitely, and set yourself up as an importer.
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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed! :p
 
Its part of owning a business guys. My father and I have been owner opwerators of our own business for 40 years combined. When these one time costs come up they are unexpected but the ask the customer to pay for it all is not fair to them. It sucks having to pay the money out but this is a one time expense and tremendous hassle but it is part of doing business. SOme is going to get passed to the customer but a 450 dollar gun being over a thousand bucks is not acceptable. The early report ont eh SUB is the inexpensive feel and very light weight of teh gun and especially the stock. How can you hold that up against a beretta storm or hi-point carbine. I have both of the former mentioned and am confident teh keltec SUB will not compareto my non rest storm. Not bashing anyone or anything, but paying more than double for a right hand drive geo Strom, well its still a storm and you did get hosed.

It also does not bode well that a supplier or vault has tried to clear up some of this, I want a SUB and RFB but not at double the price.
 
Drewz said:
Its part of owning a business guys. My father and I have been owner opwerators of our own business for 40 years combined. When these one time costs come up they are unexpected but the ask the customer to pay for it all is not fair to them. It sucks having to pay the money out but this is a one time expense and tremendous hassle but it is part of doing business. SOme is going to get passed to the customer but a 450 dollar gun being over a thousand bucks is not acceptable. The early report ont eh SUB is the inexpensive feel and very light weight of teh gun and especially the stock. How can you hold that up against a beretta storm or hi-point carbine. I have both of the former mentioned and am confident teh keltec SUB will not compareto my non rest storm. Not bashing anyone or anything, but paying more than double for a right hand drive geo Strom, well its still a storm and you did get hosed.

It also does not bode well that a supplier or vault has tried to clear up some of this, I want a SUB and RFB but not at double the price.
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I agree 100 percent!

If this thing is gonna cost any more than $600 it is not worth it! I have handled the gun, and it is super cheap in every aspect of it's design.

In a non restricted version I can see people paying this, but that is the only reason I would ever even consider it.

If it is $1000 that will be the biggest rip off in the Canadian firearms market!

Like I said it was on sale for $379 at Buffalo Gun Center and could probably be found cheaper further south!
 
Deckard said:
True. As I said, the excitement of some ("I will pay ANYTHING!!!!") right here on CGN overhypes everything. Dumb! Add to that is your organization's lab then takes that hype to as a new target. They find some way to f**k over the importation, or assessment. They'd get a single shot Cooey to go full auto if they could.
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You had a post in the ACR thread that is bang on. Good call.
Deckard said:
The higher the price, the fewer around, the easier to ban without much of a fuss. Frack, I wish people would get that.
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Brordo said:
To really hit it home...from my readings (and this is on the RFB mind you) it seems the the dealer price in the U.S. is $1187 with MSRP of $1880. Most sell for something like $1500 +/-. Now for us it'll be $2499...yes, that is quite a bit higher but is it ultimately going to stop me from purchasing one? Not a chance...from reading all the crap they're going through to get it here (and the fact it is just so tacticool) I will definitely grab one (and give a big Hi-5 doing it). Are people making money off me? Sure thing...but that's economics for you...
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Further :yingyang: , if a model is well-received in the U.S. :evil: , then it will sometimes mean the U.S. demand will literally consume almost all supply :( , further running up the price on our side of the border...:eek:

I'd like to mention again that the Benelli MR-1 has been priced rather fairly to us in Canada?
 
I agree...complaining of pricing isn't really helpful. We're not being forced to buy any of these guns. As I've said in previous posts...I'm really gung-ho for the RFB...but if it turns out to feel like a piece of shiiiite then I'll obviously pass on it. Things I do find helpful is initial impressions like mlehtovaara has provided about cheapness of design. I haven't handled one but will takes such things under consideration when I do.
 
if you want info visit the kel tec website. this thread is to discuss everything pertaining to the rifle. but i do agree, there is no reason to complain about pricing when there is not even an estimate out yet.
 
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