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todbartell said:
Probably would be accurate, in a 1:8 twist since it will be significantly longer than a lead core 120grain which will work fine in a 1-10 twist. As I said before, Barnes suggests a 1:9 twist for their hollowpoint 115gr TSX. The fact you can get a 120gr TTSX in 264" and load it in a 1:9 twist 260 Rem, and drive it within 100 fps of a 25-06 with a lead core 120gr, makes the 260 a bit more of an attractive chambering!

260 for the 2nd place win!:cheers: :bump:
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To an extent, you're still comparing apples and oranges. As I suggested earlier on, compare for a 'real world' determination of which is best. Go for a bullet weight and configuration that is more or less equal to both. This was why I 'suggested' going with 120gr Sierra BT's. However, if you really want to make the comparison of the two cartridges equal as possible, use a ratio of bullet weight to diameter. That would end up with the Sierra 117gr BT in the 25-06 and the Sierra 120gr BT in your 260. From the data I posted in post # 36, performance velocity and bullet drop, your 260 comes in at 2nd place. Carrying that same comparison, based on a real world playing field leveling ratio, using Barnes TSX that would give you the 115gr TSX FB in the 25-06 and the 120gr TSX BT in the 260. FB vs BT, sorry, that's as close as I could come. The velocity and trajectory results, from the Barnes #4, again seem to put the 25-06 in 1st place.

Your quite correct in what you say as far as the Barnes 'suggest' as a 1 - 9" twist for their HP 115gr TSX. I thought I'd 'try' and see what my 1 - 10" twist Savage would do with that bullet. With the following target results, keep in mind I didn't go through the I.L.D./ladder method or do any tidily case prep, or use the concentricity tool. I'll get to that, when I have the time. Got a few more new 'toys' lately. Nor was close bullet weight scrutiny done and I was using IMR 4831.

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The top target is the result at 100 yds, the bottem at 200.

In the final analysis, and as some one has already alluded to, "go with whatever works for you or turns you on".
 
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look at that right to left wind drift! another advantage of the 260 is less wind drift with the 120gr TTSX, that is not theoretical! :D
 
todbartell said:
look at that right to left wind drift! an advantage of the 260 is less wind drift with the 120gr TTSX, that is not theoretical! :D
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The right to left is a result of my just shooting for group. Until I decide on load particulars to settle on, all I'm looking for is group size. I was curious what results would be with the 115gr TSX and my 1 - 10" twist rate. I'll pick up some 100gr TSX BT's on my next shopping trip and that could be, depending on results, what weight I'll settle on.

With the reputation Terrace has for windy conditions, minimize my hunting there with the 25-06, problem solved.:p
 
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Dogleg said:
300-600 is mid-range for a target shooter.
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many you have a lot of field experience, so surely you also know that field shooting at game has very little in common with target shooting at a range with known distances, known time limits, often with wind flags, no brush in the way, no target moving away and no consequence of a wounded, suffering animal if you muff the shot. Game animals are not targets!
300-600 IS long range for a big game hunter.
 
Gatehouse said:
It's truly amazing how the .260 is such a superior cartridge to the 25-06.

ALL HAIL THE .260!:)
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You'r right. If it was superior, that would truly be amazing. But,:( sad to say, it's not. Good perhaps but destined to be a bridesmaid and never the bride. A first princess at best. The 260's big brother the 264 WM, yes, now you're cookin' with gas! Truly a King. But the 260, ;)sorry. You've bought and own a 2nd rate caliber at best.
 
Johnn Peterson said:
You'r right. If it was superior, that would truly be amazing. But,:( sad to say, it's not. Good perhaps but destined to be a bridesmaid and never the bride. A first princess at best. The 260's big brother the 264 WM, yes, now you're cookin' with gas! Truly a King. But the 260, ;)sorry. You've bought and own a 2nd rate caliber at best.
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Sorry, it's easy to see how the .260 is superior. Emotional attachments aside, it's the simple facts that make the .260 better.

Same performance+ less powder+ less recoil = BETTER
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Gatehouse said:
Sorry, it's easy to see how the .260 is superior. Emotional attachments aside, it's the simple facts that make the .260 better.

Same performance+ less powder+ less recoil = BETTER
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Don't stop there. With the same or equal in rationally proportional bullet weights, + less velocity + poorer/less desireable trajectory characteristics = Yes:cool:, Better the 260 as second rate than the 25-06. :eek:Hope you didn't buy and now own one of those 2nd rate, wanna be's:eek:.
 
No doubt the 25-6is a great cartridge, just like most of the .06 based cartridges, and I wanted a 2506 for some time. But then when I looked at the overall package..I realized that the .260 was a better option.

It's simply a better option.

I am sure that 25-06 users will be happy with the performance of their rifles, but if someone was to pick one of the 2, the .260 is the clear winner.;)
 
Gatehouse said:
No doubt the 25-6is a great cartridge, just like most of the .06 based cartridges, and I wanted a 2506 for some time. But then when I looked at the overall package..I realized that the .260 was a better option.

It's simply a better option.

I am sure that 25-06 users will be happy with the performance of their rifles, but if someone was to pick one of the 2, the .260 is the clear winner.;)
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Again and as I told your young friend, with compareable bullet weights, it's a 2nd place winner when compared to the 25-06. Anything other than an equal playing field with those compareable weights and you're comparing apples and oranges. As you work your way up the caliber 'food chain' and start considering heavier bullet weights of the next size up, there will always be a few desireable characteristics of superiority that start to surface. But, level the field and it becomes evident, some of those characteristics fade and disappear as has become easily apparent in this comparison.
 
your 117gr BTSP Sierra out of the 25-06 @ 3100 fps

my 130gr Swift Scirocco out of the 260 @ 2850 fps

Two inches more bullet drop with 260 @ 500 yards, with 250 yard zero's. 50 fps more velocity @ 500y with 260 (despite a 250 fps headstart @ muzzle for 25-06) . 4" less wind drift with 260 @ 500y

Come on, open your eyes :) the 260 is a superior cartridge. And its housed in a rifle you can pack in the hills. This example is 5.75 lbs w/ scope & rings

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even against a flat base 125gr partition the drop difference is only 4" @ 500y
impact velocites/energy/drift are damn near identical
2100 vs 2020 fps impact
1140 ft lbs vs 1130
18.4" drift vs 18.2"
the 260 clearly gives near identical downrange performance, with less powder and fitting in a shorter, lighter gun. And it opens the possibilities to shoot very aerodynamic 130-140gr bullets for even better performace at long range, and heavy for caliber 160gr loads which equal the 30 caliber 220grain for sectional density. Also can shoot 85 grain for varmint. A properly loaded 243 or 6mm on the other side is all over the 25-06 as a varmint rifle

to start comparing the 264 Win Mag to the 260 Rem is getting silly. If we measured cartridge effectiveness by muzzle velocity, well the 25-06 would be better than the 260, and we all know thats not true :bsFlag::welcome:

case closed! 260 FOR THE WIN
 
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