WTF?!? Is anyone elses SKS bent?!?
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Hate to tell you this but Dodge = Chrysler = Bailout money = Chinese bought US bonds. Your car was made with money borrowed from the Chinese governement, who will get interests on top of it. You directly contributed to what you are afraid of.
Have a nice day.
Ardent
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2004, not so much Chief. And you clearly missed a post, US workers with family and political structures we recognize built that truck and were paid to. In addition, you also missed where I said all arguments in favour of going full on walmart philosophy with all our purchases, including guns, are simply 'everybody else is doing it' arguments; yours included.
To each their own, but to buy is to vote. A lot of people here vote Communist China.
I'm sorry jethunter, I respect your opinion but we're not on the same page. If we flip back to the cover I'd geuss we're in different books! This is a mod rifle. It has no collector value to me and its modded already, heck it was a bit banged up when I got it. This SKS is perfect for scoping: detachable mags, ejection window mod for proper side ejection, no last shot hold open and stripper clip guide. I completely agree with your last sentence, you are absolutely right, I missed it. But youre first sentence is my challenge that I am working on solving. I do this alot, at work and at home. I'm a welder by trade, problem solving is a daily occurance, especially when steel is involved. I dont just leave well enough alone, I modify alot of my stuff to better suit my needs or taste. You can either accept that these tye of things will always happen, go at them with a positive attitude, find a solution and move on, or get your ass into something a little more quaint. Like knitting... I'm also planning a little venture into accurizing SKS's, info I will then try to apply to the non-shooters. Find out just what makes the difference between a 3 moa rifle and a 8 moa rifle when they both look identical. But I am wondering how you figure scoping it will make it worthless?
The Governments gonna be pissed when they see how many countries Ive been voting for!
You understand you dont have to go "full out" in any direction right? I own an M1 Garand, My primary hunting rifle is a Remington, My first rifle was a Ruger. My truck is japanese, my trike is japanese, my SKS is chinese, my Benelli is italian, their accessories are american. Just cause I own a few chinese things doesnt mean I'm pro-china and wont buy north-american. We live in a diverse nation with ethnic groups from all over the globe. Unless you are first nations, you are an immigrant (I am) and your roots where made somewhere else. I buy what I want, I dont worry about where it was made so much as how well it was made vs. what I am paying. I buy plenty of north american stuff to balance out with the other pile of countries I buy from. Owning one chinese rifle does not make me a communist whore, maybe if I owned all chinese, but I dont.
Ardent
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Glad to hear it. I owned Norcs in the past too, in my early 20's, before I thought about it much. All your countries of manufacture mentioned there I have no issue with, I do have an issue with China. My work's heavily associated with resources, and at present, China is laying ownership to more and more, and more of our resources and infrastructure. We're financing that, bit by bit, even by choosing just one or two Norcs instead of a Ruger, Remington, Beretta, Kimber, etc. If a nation is a democracy, its products are good to go in my view, i don't see that as all or nothing, there's no shortage of options. There are some things we've already fallen off the deep end with and can no longer make in the west, electronics a sad example. There we have no choice, guns, we damn well do, and good ones. For a group dedicated to freedom, it's dumbfounding to me we so readily adopt Chinese firearms. So often, I see posts with people "wishing there was a Canadian manufacture that..." It's not going to happen so long as China has a wideopen door to our sporting arms market. Dlask is having a tough go, because their short shotgun designs they bring out only get a short lead before Canadian importers ask a Chinese maker to undercut Dlask with their own design, like their short Rem 870's. Makes me so angry I could spit. Cheers and hopefully back to your topic.
ardent: why would i quote your long drawn out post if i only want to reply to a few points?
you need to reread my post. i pointed out was your truck has more asian component then you think and the amercian and canadian steel were bought from foreign mining companies as iron ore by US steel companies that is partially own by the japanese. where did i twist your quote?
the US worker that built dodge truck in 2004 got paid , they were paid by the germans owner and thats where the profit went to. not so american after all.
and if the same workers still have a job today, they are being paid by the italian. who know who will pay them in the future. im sure the US worker who still have a job wont care . with 13% unemployment in michigan , they will be shopping at walmart .
so is your truck really american? the toyota made in the US is it really an american car? does the person who owns it even know its built in the US? do they even care?
supernova: well said, thats exactly what i meant when i said "welcome to the new millennium", buy what best for you cos the world is getting to be a small place, corporations are buying a piece of each other , joint ventures, foreign subsidiaries are being set, materials are being imported and components are cheaper to buy than make. its all business, either sink or swim.
you need to reread my post. i pointed out was your truck has more asian component then you think and the amercian and canadian steel were bought from foreign mining companies as iron ore by US steel companies that is partially own by the japanese. where did i twist your quote?
the US worker that built dodge truck in 2004 got paid , they were paid by the germans owner and thats where the profit went to. not so american after all.
and if the same workers still have a job today, they are being paid by the italian. who know who will pay them in the future. im sure the US worker who still have a job wont care . with 13% unemployment in michigan , they will be shopping at walmart .
so is your truck really american? the toyota made in the US is it really an american car? does the person who owns it even know its built in the US? do they even care?
supernova: well said, thats exactly what i meant when i said "welcome to the new millennium", buy what best for you cos the world is getting to be a small place, corporations are buying a piece of each other , joint ventures, foreign subsidiaries are being set, materials are being imported and components are cheaper to buy than make. its all business, either sink or swim.
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Well by that standard you also need to remove any and all components in your truck that are not US made.. Guarantee you won't have a working truck after that though.
Reality is we have a world economy now and it simply isn't going away regardless of how much some people wish it would.
The genie is out bottle, people, it's a global economy now, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. How do you think we've been so wealthy for so long? Are we smarter people? Do we work harder, for longer hours? Are we capable of things they are not? Or have we manipulated global markets to keep the 3rd world in its place, developing complacence, recognizing that the barn is open long after all the horses have left? It's an interesting debate. A rising 3rd world middle class means a decline somewhere, money doesn't grow on trees, and you can only patch a hole, not an enormous gash.
op: shoot it, have fun!
op: shoot it, have fun!
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
This is where you missed some more, I couldn't care less if the money goes to Germany, Italy, England, or Brazil; all are western countries. In the part you had cut out, I even pointed out my watch is German. I lived in Germany, and you know what, it wasn't much of adjustment. China, not so much. I'm perfectly happy if profits from vehicles I buy find their way to allies and democracies, and advocate that exact choice.
Shalimar, you missed something too. I stated there are some things, like electronics be it a PC, or an O2 sensor in an engine, that we've lost the ability to manufacture for ourselves. Doesn't mean the rest of everything we buy doesn't matter. I don't buy the everyone else is doin' it argument. It's certainly not like there aren't options in firearms that aren't Chinese. We're both pilots, as I understand, though I'm of the helicopter persuasion. Would you fly Chinese with the same smile as American or Euro? Perhaps you would, but I wouldn't.
Shalimar, you missed something too. I stated there are some things, like electronics be it a PC, or an O2 sensor in an engine, that we've lost the ability to manufacture for ourselves. Doesn't mean the rest of everything we buy doesn't matter. I don't buy the everyone else is doin' it argument. It's certainly not like there aren't options in firearms that aren't Chinese. We're both pilots, as I understand, though I'm of the helicopter persuasion. Would you fly Chinese with the same smile as American or Euro? Perhaps you would, but I wouldn't.
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True.. but reality is many things made in the US are massively overpriced due to the workers insane demands... look at GM for a perfect example. (Don't even get me started on the quality issue).
Reality is Norinco for example is doing a very good job of making quite decent guns at much less $.. and that certainly has it's place. Esp when some high end very $$$$ guns fail miserably. Another excellent example of some 'lower price' guns are Taurus.. and they overall make some damn good guns.. at much less than the US or Italian versions.
Ironically while I love the Beretta's i actually prefer the Taurus 92 due to the frame mounted safety.. (learned with an old 92 and my 93r long before my service m9 days) and it lacks nothing in quality I'd say compared to the M9.
Simple fact is in many cases foreign parts are of superior quality.. and cost less as well in many cases.
I've never had the chance to do much in Helicopters... but the Bell 222b twin was sweet (Was given a checkout ride in one many yrs ago). As for aircraft... look at the Migs for an example... from the old insanely easy to maintain Mig-21's.. quite a few of which were made in China (Also quite possibly the most numerous fighter in history.. along with the F-4... official #'s are vague for some 'unknown' reason.).. and the newer Migs are excellent overall.. though I have never had a chance to paw em personally of course. If given the chance though I'd happily hop into a Mig-29 or SU-27 etc. Given some lessons in Ruskie of course first!
Simple fact is where it is made really does not matter as much as if it's made well. Some foreign makers do an excellent job of many products... but not all.
ardent : why quote my entire quote when you are only going to reply to you're happy to buy from allied countries ?
you still dont get it, we are in a new world economy but some people are still stuck in the cold war.
ask the workers of the hummer, would most rather be working for a chinese company or unemployment ? too late , hummer went belly up.
you still dont get it, we are in a new world economy but some people are still stuck in the cold war.
ask the workers of the hummer, would most rather be working for a chinese company or unemployment ? too late , hummer went belly up.
Ardent, would you prefer we boycott the chinese? is that what youre getting at? As stated, alot of products would dissappear as we dont make them ourselves. Sure there are other options in firearms, but I would refuse to do this kind of work to a russian SKS. My plan for a russian is this: buy a very nice laminate chrome lined russian and enjoy it the way it was made. The chinese is for experimenting, modding and having fun with in that respect. Do you think there would be nearly as much M-14s in Canada, especially with the crazy mods those boys do if they were all $3-4K springfield M1A's? Not likely. Do you think they buy only chinese? not likely. Infact, this SKS is my only chinese firearm at the moment. If you got a hate-on for china and its products that is fine, but acting like everyone who buys chinese is sending kittens and small children to their deaths is well, kind of ignorant. We buy chinese stuff for a reason. We dont do it cause everyone else is, and we dont rely solely on them either. For most Canadians these are range toys/interesting hunting guns. They dont have to survive a tour in the middle east, they arent relied upon for life and death. If that were the case then we would surely be popping for the big guys, but since they sit in the safe and punch paper at the range there is no need for utmost quality. And Im fine with that. But back on topic, if I can remember that far back, The afternoon should be alright tommorrow with 25 km/h winds. If we get a break Ill be able to get the irons sighted.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I, just like you guys, am tiring as neither I nor the members of this forum are likely to agree. It's just this simple: buy a western made gun, and our sport perseveres and prospers by supporting its roots, the manufacturers. By a Chinese gun, and Norinco and one importer benefits. This isn't a laptop or cell phone, it's a gun, something we're blessed with western made options in, like your Taurus Shalimar (which I'm all for). We buy, we vote, that simple. On the bright side, good civil debate for online.
yeah it was fun, but thats enough! Another note, I was looking at the Leupold one-piece base on my fathers M700, it uses dovetail rings, and the rear is windage adjustable...I could whip up another over-the-top mount out of angle iron or something flat on top and put one of those on there.
Gad, all you talk about is guns, isn't there a site for that?
I wasn't concerned with detracting from collector value, if there is such a thing on an SKS. I have nothing against mounting a scope.
What i meant was that if your receiver is bent it could likely be harder to get your mounts trued up with the bore, ie: the scope won't have enough adjustment to zero. Likely you can shim or modify the mount to solve that problem but as i said it's a possible can of worms and it could detract from resale value.
You might be able to bend the receiver back close enough to work or you might make it worse. If you work with steel i'm sure you've experienced first hand how hard it is to bend something back to where it was originally. The work hardening and stretching that takes place when it got bent originally might not allow it to bend back into original shape - it usually bends somewhere else that you didn't intend, unless you're using heat - which i would avoid on a receiver. If it were mine I'd just shoot it with irons.
That's what I meant.
I see your point now Jethunter, and that would be my standpoint if all the mods done to this rifle hadnt been working towards mounting a full size scope on an SKS without any compromise (loading/unloading, spent casing ejection, still able to use irons etc) somewhere deep in the chinese/not chinese debate I mentioned my plan to file down the high spot seen in the second pic, it wont make it flat but will stop it from pushing the mount out to the left a little bit. Then after the factory irons are sighted back in, I can set the rifle in the cradle and aim the irons at a specific POA on the wall, then file the mount on an angle to slowly bring the crosshairs back to center. I'm sure I'll hit speed bumps, but I'll get her figured one way or another. And if that turns into a big hairball, I can always make a steel angle iron mount with one piece windage adjustable base/rings. My 858 is staying iron sighted, and when funds allow for a nice russian SKS it will stay original. I just want to build this one with the scope my way, eliminating compromise. I do know better than to try bending that reciever, you are right about that too! It still functions, but I will keep a close eye on it. Ive just got too much time and money into this one to throw it all away and start again you know? Anyways, I'll update progress as it comes along.
You will get it figured out. I am like you when it comes to mods but I could not give a rats ass if the rifle was Russian or Chinese or what ever, it's just a dime a dozen SKS. To date I have done 7 SKS bush guns for people over the last two years from triggers, stocks and different optic configurations. Let us know how many strokes on that flat bastard file it takes to make that receiver straight.........
I think in that case I'd try altering the mount to fit the reciver rather than the other way around, but hard to say without seeing it in hand. If you can grind or file down the mount to make it fit over the high spot on the receiver you can't hurt the rifle, and if it doesn't work you only lose the mount and not the whole thing. But it should be an interesting project no matter which way you go.
