Update Beretta smashed, need a new gun see page 11 for advice

"I found out when researching the M2000 is that there seems to be a considerable amount of problems regarding cycling when it comes to the 1st generation M2000s with a lot of the kinks worked out by the 2nd and 3rd generations...but for some reason, I wasn't able to find a good way to differentiate them all, with the exception of the white vs. orange bead (not even serial #)."
And this is why I bought mine new.
 
"I found out when researching the M2000 is that there seems to be a considerable amount of problems regarding cycling when it comes to the 1st generation M2000s with a lot of the kinks worked out by the 2nd and 3rd generations...but for some reason, I wasn't able to find a good way to differentiate them all, with the exception of the white vs. orange bead (not even serial #)."
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When I see that many complaints of issues with a product,I avoid that product,unless I see the complaints drop off dramatically.As such,I myself will avoid the Stoeger M2000,just as I avoid guns like the Remington 710,and the Mossberg Silver Reserve.There are too many other choices available to take the chance on a gun with a bad reputation.
 
Gunslinger said:
With sporting shotguns you MUST handle them before you buy. When one just feels right it's instantly worth the extra $$$$$. We all have budgets, I understand, but you have to weigh that against the feel of the gun. A good quality shotgun will last a couple life times, a few extra $$$$$ is totaly worth the pride of ownership on something that fits you. We can all live with a less than perfect pistol or rifle, but shotguns are a whole different story.

For a budget o/u how about a FAIR, they're reasonably priced. Obviously the EE an option, and the vast majority of guns can be considered barely broken in for the most part. A basic Beretta or Citori would be my pick as they are well proven. Lots of choices, but play with some first, it will make a big difference in your decision.
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I agree. M a n y years ago, when I first started on grouse when I moved to the island,;) and knowing even less about shotguns than I do now, that's how I made the decission on my first one. Upstairs in a well known Hardware store in Naniamo, Ernie Johnson's, one room contained used firearms. I went through and narrowed the choice down to four that 'felt good'. From that four, I picked a light sidelock, 12ga, straight stocked beauty. About the weight of a 20ga, has done well for me on fast shooting on the likes of Ruff Grouse and Huns, and still feels good. Still have it:).

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Accompanied by 'The Moose' for USP:p:cheers:.
 
I used to use a Citori White Lightning, but then found a great deal on a Cynergy Classic Field... MUCH better handling (for me anyway). 28" is a great length for upland and clays.

3.5" chamber on the Cynergy means I can use it for geese as well... not that I ever buy 3.5" shells, but nice to know I can use them if needed!
 
Yeah not interested in a pump, just O/Us although the SxS do look nice as well. Whats the ideal chokes to get for upland game and some trap shooting? Is there an ideal weight range to stay in? I see some are quite light and others are quite heavy. On the extractors are automatic alot better? For triggers I see some are either doubles or selectables. Is one type better than the other?
 
For a field gun,light weight is an advantage,but for trap shooting,a heavier gun absorbs recoil better.I normally use Improved Cylinder and Mod for upland game,and you could shoot Mod or Full for trap.
 
canucklehead said:
I used to use a Citori White Lightning, but then found a great deal on a Cynergy Classic Field... MUCH better handling (for me anyway). 28" is a great length for upland and clays.

3.5" chamber on the Cynergy means I can use it for geese as well... not that I ever buy 3.5" shells, but nice to know I can use them if needed!
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12ga brownings are not for me if I have to lug it around in the woods. I would take a sxs instead of a ou for hunting.
 
I would also recommend you look for a used 'name' gun like SKB/Ithaca, Winchester 101 or 96, Browning/Miroku, etc. Either 12 or 20 would be fine, 20 is lighter of course, and look for 26"-28" barrels, and IC or even skeet chokes. You will fine that the balance, trigger, barrels, overall weight, wood, fit and finish, etc. are all nicer.
 
Either 12 or 20 would be fine, 20 is lighter of course, and look for 26"-28" barrels, and IC or even skeet chokes.
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He mentioned trap in his last post,so screw in chokes would be a good idea.Fixed skeet chokes wouldn't be all that suitable for shooting trap.
 
USP said:
Yeah not interested in a pump, just O/Us although the SxS do look nice as well. Whats the ideal chokes to get for upland game and some trap shooting? Is there an ideal weight range to stay in? I see some are quite light and others are quite heavy. On the extractors are automatic alot better? For triggers I see some are either doubles or selectables. Is one type better than the other?
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I prefer double triggers, but go figure, I have some guns with single selective, and even two that I use the most that are non selective!:confused:
Cat
 
When the OP added Trap shooting to the equation, he really has made meeting his desires unobtainable in the sense of finding an optimum solution(gun).

Upland hunting and trap shooting shotguns are so far apart in what is considered ideal that no one gun can shine at both.

In upland hunting, as mentioned previously a lighter ( and some also like shorter) flat shooting shotgun is preferred rather than carrying an 8 lb plus gun port arms all day. This also is where sub-guages like the 20 or 28 are quite popular.

For trap shooting, a heavier 12 guage high shooting gun is preferred to soak up recoil of shooting hundreds of rounds in a day at rising going away targets.

Now I am not saying you can't shoot trap with an upland configured O/U, heck my wife shot trap for a season with a 20 gauge SKB skeet choked O/U as she did not like the 12 guage recoil and would hit 17 to 21 targets of 25! Go figure ?????

Talk Skeet instead of Trap and at least the choking requirements are similar and shooting low gun Skeet is great practise for upland.

If you're young and strong and don't mind the weight get a 12, if you like or are interested in the smaller gauges get a 20 as the shell cost is about the same as 12 and way cheaper than 28 or .410.

Lastly, I will echo find a used Browning, (seen a 20 on the EE lately) Beretta, SKB or Winchester 101.

Tim










An upland gun
 
planemaker said:
When the OP added Trap shooting to the equation, he really has made meeting his desires unobtainable in the sense of finding an optimum solution(gun).

Upland hunting and trap shooting shotguns are so far apart in what is considered ideal that no one gun can shine at both.

In upland hunting, as mentioned previously a lighter ( and some also like shorter) flat shooting shotgun is preferred rather than carrying an 8 lb plus gun port arms all day. This also is where sub-guages like the 20 or 28 are quite popular.

For trap shooting, a heavier 12 guage high shooting gun is preferred to soak up recoil of shooting hundreds of rounds in a day at rising going away targets.

Now I am not saying you can't shoot trap with an upland configured O/U, heck my wife shot trap for a season with a 20 gauge SKB skeet choked O/U as she did not like the 12 guage recoil and would hit 17 to 21 targets of 25! Go figure ?????

Talk Skeet instead of Trap and at least the choking requirements are similar and shooting low gun Skeet is great practise for upland.

If you're young and strong and don't mind the weight get a 12, if you like or are interested in the smaller gauges get a 20 as the shell cost is about the same as 12 and way cheaper than 28 or .410.

Lastly, I will echo find a used Browning, (seen a 20 on the EE lately) Beretta, SKB or Winchester 101.

Tim

An upland gun
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When I say trap, it will consist of informal shooting at my club where you can buy some clay pigeons and use the thrower. I would do this just for fun and for practice. Nothing competetive going on here.

I realize the light guns recoil alot, but I am use to shooting military type shotguns with full power slug loads, I find bird shot very light in comparison as it doesnt rattle your teeth and shake your eyeballs. :p

I have been looking at a few different guns now, heres the short list

Franchi Renaissance Field
Beretta Ultralight
CZ Redhead

All would be in 12 Gauge. Im not sure whether I should spend more money and buy a fancier gun, or spend less cash as it will be used in the field. Thanks for info guys, Im learning alot as I read along.
 
Beretta would be my pick hands down, but only after I shouldered them all. There is a certain pride of ownership in a fancier gun, but this sounds like it's going to be a working gun so save the cash. If you have a desire down the road for something with some class spend it on a fine sxs, then use it just as hard!

BTW 20's don't hold their appeal because of reduced recoil, more the scale of the guns imo, they're just more petite and lively.
 
Gunslinger said:
Beretta would be my pick hands down, but only after I shouldered them all. There is a certain pride of ownership in a fancier gun, but this sounds like it's going to be a working gun so save the cash. If you have a desire down the road for something with some class spend it on a fine sxs, then use it just as hard!
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I dont really like sxs unless its a double rifle and not a shotgun, thats why Im looking at the O/U for the shotguns. If it was completely about money I could just get a cheap no frills pump gun that would do the job just fine.

Alot of choices here to look at.
 
USP said:
I dont really like sxs unless its a double rifle and not a shotgun, thats why Im looking at the O/U for the shotguns. If it was completely about money I could just get a cheap no frills pump gun that would do the job just fine.

Alot of choices here to look at.
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You simply haven't met the right one yet! :)

Go Beretta and you won't be sorry.
 
Gunslinger said:
You simply haven't met the right one yet! :)

Go Beretta and you won't be sorry.
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When I think of SxS I think of Holland and Holland and the cursed online virtual gun room they have...:eek:

To much cake for me... way to much.
 
USP said:
When I say trap, it will consist of informal shooting at my club where you can buy some clay pigeons and use the thrower. I would do this just for fun and for practice. Nothing competetive going on here.

I realize the light guns recoil alot, but I am use to shooting military type shotguns with full power slug loads, I find bird shot very light in comparison as it doesnt rattle your teeth and shake your eyeballs. :p

I have been looking at a few different guns now, heres the short list

Franchi Renaissance Field
Beretta Ultralight
CZ Redhead

All would be in 12 Gauge. Im not sure whether I should spend more money and buy a fancier gun, or spend less cash as it will be used in the field. Thanks for info guys, Im learning alot as I read along.
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The big thing about recoil and trap shooting is that it affects your scores when shooting high volume , that is why trap guns are heavier - that and they stand up better than a lighter gun.
We are not talking about two or three rounds of trap every other weekend however, but thousands of rounds a month.
An upland gun needs to be light to be carried well all day - yes , some guys can and will tote a big weight shotgun with a sling on it, but why bother if you do not need to?

Pick up a little Franchi Renaissance , a Berreta Ultralight, or a FAIR Xlight in 20 , then try out a standard weight 12 gauge framed shotgun and you will see why the lighter guns are so popular!:)
As stated, if you are only going to shoot the odd recreational trap, and some skeet, then a nice light filed gun is the ticket.
Chokes are not nearly so important than many shooters think, but most of the newer shotguns come with screw ins anyway, so it's not a biggy.
Suffice it to say if you come across a fixed choke gun with 28" barrels choked IC/MOD, you will be away to the races!

Have fun looking for your gun, try out a bunch at the local club if you can before you make a choice and I'm sure you will be happy.
Cat
 
Are there any negatives to screw in type chokes? Are the screw in type chokes sort of universal with one size fits all? Or does each manufacturer have different types with different thread pitches for different fits? Also why is it that on alot of O/U many seem to have a different choke for each barrel?
 
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