Would removing a magazine safety be legal for IPSC production? I know IDPA has a rule that all safeties must be in working order or something. If not, how would one lower the hammer at the end of a stage when you can't dryfire without the magazine in the pistol?
Removing a magaznie safety?
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you put an empty magazine in the pistol after "unload and show clear"....
steps would be,
1) unload and show clear
2) drop slide
3) insert magazine (empty or loaded, does not matter)
4) drop hammer
5) eject magazine
6) reholster & stow mag.
steps would be,
1) unload and show clear
2) drop slide
3) insert magazine (empty or loaded, does not matter)
4) drop hammer
5) eject magazine
6) reholster & stow mag.
I don't think it is an issue in IPSC, but not certain - Maybe post this over on IPSC AB website?
In IDPA it is supposed to be an issue...I say supposed to be, because there could very well be an arguement that the mag block is not a safety device at all...rules aside, at least that is how I see it.
In IDPA it is supposed to be an issue...I say supposed to be, because there could very well be an arguement that the mag block is not a safety device at all...rules aside, at least that is how I see it.
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Actually this has been argued to death again and again. 
In IDPA you can not remove or deactivate any safety device. Since the mag 'safety' is called a safety device by the manufacturer you can not remove it or deactivate it.
John
In IDPA you can not remove or deactivate any safety device. Since the mag 'safety' is called a safety device by the manufacturer you can not remove it or deactivate it.
John
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I removed mine on my Ruger SR9, not to say I am legal when I shoot IPSC though, I have never asked and don't plan to. My reasoning is on this particular gun, the mag disconnect mearly blocks the firing pin part way through its travel. So with mag out and mag safety intact I can pull the trigger, the gun will go click just like normal and no one would be the wiser, however the firing pin is blocked part way through its travel so if there is a live round it would not fire. Any RO not familiar with the gun would not know the click (dry fire) was meaningless. By removing, the action is all the same but the pin will actually reach and fire a live round. So in my opinion I have made the gun safer for IPSC. Plus on this particular gun, with the mag disconnect in place, dryfiring causes damage to the firing pin.
...and as an RO, I cringe every time a shooter does it, even though I know it's the only way to drop the hammer.
I'm a big fan of the M&P, but that thing is a real pain for both competitors and RO'sActually this has been argued to death again and again.
In IDPA you can not remove or deactivate any safety device. Since the mag 'safety' is called a safety device by the manufacturer you can not remove it or deactivate it.
John
The latest version of the owners manual simply refers to it as a "magazine disconnect". If they ever used the term "safety", they don't anymore. I'd have no problem arguing that it's not a safety. Better yet, just buy the model that doesn't have it installed.
He is correct. i contacted Vince to confirm this. if the gun is not issued that way then you cannot change it. see http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=11113&st=0&p=113346&#entry113346
Actually this has been argued to death again and again.
In IDPA you can not remove or deactivate any safety device. Since the mag 'safety' is called a safety device by the manufacturer you can not remove it or deactivate it.
John
John is correct. There is no question regarding the ruling. The mag disconnect on the M&P MUST be active to be legal in IDPA. M&P's manucfactured without the mag disconnect have a warning on the slide. If your slide does not have the warning engraved on the slide the gun must have the mag disconnect to be legally shot in IDPA. This has been ruled on by HQ. S&W regards it as a safety device hence the ruling.
"For various legal reasons, you may not disable or remove any safety features of a gun and still compete in IDPA. I know that some guns are offered both ways, but in todays litigious society, we can not allow someone to convert a gun that is offered both ways. I am sorry but that is the way it is.
Robert Ray
IDPA HQ"
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Bob
...but if it starts to function the way you want it through "normal wear and tear" then it's okay. Normally, my parts don't encounter a dremel tool/grinder, but hey, accidents happen, n'est ce pas?
If any safety device is not working at the time of inspection the shooter gets DQ'd. So nope, it is the shooters responsibility to ensure all safety devices on his gun are working as they should.
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Bob
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What's the big deal with removing the mag disconnect anyway? Aside from having to insert an empty mag to drop the hammer after a shoot, what does it accomplish?
Who is shooting without a mag and one in the chamber anyway?
Who is shooting without a mag and one in the chamber anyway?
