Are in-lines muzzleloaders??

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We have a muzzleloader season. Not a primitive weapon season, not a blackpowder or even an iron sight season. In that light, I'm happy shooting smokeless powder in an inline. Why that should bother the patched round ball crowd (all 3 of them):p, I have no idea. Hell, I used to be one of them. I'd sign up for a BPCR season if there was one too.

The heyday of the percussion era only lasted about 30 years, since it was such a short hop from the percussion cap to the metallic cartridge. The "modern" era of muzzleloading has already lasted longer than the caplock era did the first time around, and early inlines like the MK85 are already 25 years old. The battle is over, and the buckskinners lost.
 
Milsparro said:
IMO hunting season should be hunting season.
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This has been my opinion for about 30 years!:cool:
Shoot what you want during the season.

Our archery season in my area is a joke - it's something like a week before the regular season in August.
I have hunted in the regular season with my stick bow, and hunted during the regular season for years as well, with my muzz;le loaders.
i quit applying form the Camp Wainright season a long time ago, too much crap going on there .
I also hunt waterfowl with black powder occasionally, maybe I should start lobbying for a black powder goose season!:HR:
Cat
 
I really don't see the point in having an early season if in lines are included as muzzle loaders. If there are enough deer then just extend the season for all guns

cheers mooncoon
 
tacfoley said:
Yup. By the very definition and method employed, it IS a muzzle-loader. But is sure as heck ain't no traditional muzzle-loader.

tac
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Another debate for another time...the OP's question was a simple one with a simple,undisputable answer,.......;)
 
Dogleg said:
We have a muzzleloader season. Not a primitive weapon season, not a blackpowder or even an iron sight season.
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Maybe they should change the name to "sidelock season"?

In my not so humble opinion,the development of modern in-lines has been fueled by the desire of today's hunters wanting to take advantage of "muzzleloader"...aka primitive weapons seasons without any of the perceived handicaps of using traditional styled,sidelock MLs.They want centerfire-like accuracy and features,and thus a whole generation of rifles has been created to fit the legal criteria of being a "muzzleloader", while at the same time offering the modern advantages of high BC,saboted bullets,double and triple the effective range of PRBs and bore size conicals,along with modern optics.They are a modern style of rifle,only built to take advantage of seasons that were created in the spirit of taking a step back in time.In-lines have bastardized the very spirit of ML seasons beyond recognition,and kudos to the states(Pennsylvania for one)that have recognised this and revised their laws to make true,traditional,sidelock ML seasons.A synthetic stocked,stainless steel,modern scoped,fast twist,plastic sabot/jacketed bullet shooting monstrosity of a muzzleloading firearm is hardly the traditional sidelock that the lawmakers had in mind when most of these seasons were created pre-1980s,and as mentioned in a previous post,the popularity of inlines are in some cases threatening the very existance of ML seasons in some jurisdictions.With predicted harvest and success rates being grossly inflated due to the increased effective range and accuracy of modern in-lines,game managers are forced to re-evaluate these seasons and they most likely will either be discontinued,reduced,or ideally be re-defined to only allow the use of sidelocks to reflect the spirit in which they(ML seasons) were created in the first place.
 
Its simple. Yes it is a muzzle loader.

I personally dont like them. I just dont see the point, I shoot mine for historical value and plan to hunt with them. If i wanted to hunt with a bolt action i would use one of my other guns.

Call me old fashioned but thats my two cents :D

McLean
 
A synthetic stocked,stainless steel,modern scoped,fast twist,plastic sabot/jacketed bullet shooting firearm is hardly the traditional sidelock that the lawmakers had in mind when most of these seasons were created pre-1980s
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Our first separate week for muzzleloaders was introduced in 2004.

And I'm sure that the "law-makers" envisioned carbon fibre, single-cam compounds with illuminated, magnified sights, mechanical broadheads, etc. when they made the archery laws. ;)

As long as too many deer are not being harvested...what is the problem? Jealousy?

I hunt with 3 kinds of ML's...cap-lock, flint-lock, and IN-LINE. It comes down to my preference...one day it may be flint, the next, in-line. All of my ML deer have been shot within 50 yards...90% within 30 yards.

Use what YOU like, and stop trying to dictate to other people what they should use. :)
 
beefman said:
Our first separate week for muzzleloaders was introduced in 2004.

And I'm sure that the "law-makers" envisioned carbon fibre, single-cam compounds with illuminated, magnified sights, mechanical broadheads, etc. when they made the archery laws. ;)

As long as too many deer are not being harvested...what is the problem? Jealousy?

I hunt with 3 kinds of ML's...cap-lock, flint-lock, and IN-LINE. It comes down to my preference...one day it may be flint, the next, in-line. All of my ML deer have been shot within 50 yards...90% within 30 yards.

Use what YOU like, and stop trying to dictate to other people what they should use. :)
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The key word in my "pre-1980's" statement is "most". ;) As for archery seasons,I'm sure they didn't invision allowing 70% of hunters where they are legal to use 400fps,scoped boltguns neither.

The point is,if you make it too easy by allowing every modern atrocity that barely meets the definition of a ML into the hunt,with clear advantages over traditional gear,hordes of hunters come along with them and predicted harvests and success rates soar.Something's gotta give.Reduce the season length or eliminate it altogether?...then the inliners go back to their centerfire seasons and the sidelock guys lost what they had worked to create.

ML seasons were created to fit a specific style of limited range rifles,with extra time afield to offset the handicap of using sidelocks,whereas inlines are rifles without that handicap,mainly developed only to slide into an existing season.Much like xbows,where they aren't allowed in bow season,there really isn't much incentive to buy one,which explains why xbow manufacturers lobby so hard for their inclusion to existing archery seasons.


....and no jealousy here...we have no extra ML season here in NB,I just use a caplock for the fun,challenge and nostalgia of it during general firearms season while my 30-06 gathers dust in the closet.When the day comes that I can't get closer than 250 yards to a deer,I'll dust it off again.
 
beefman said:
Use what YOU like, and stop trying to dictate to other people what they should use. :)
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It is not a question of dictating what they can use but when they can use it. If inlines with sabots etc are acceptable why not Ruger #1s in muzzle loading season. They give no greater advantage.
My criticism of the inlines is that they have resulted in a loss of seasons here in BC

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
It is not a question of dictating what they can use but when they can use it. If inlines with sabots etc are acceptable why not Ruger #1s in muzzle loading season. They give no greater advantage.
My criticism of the inlines is that they have resulted in a loss of seasons here in BC

cheers mooncoon
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Where are you going to draw the line?

They ban sabots...then what?

The PRB guys will say that the minie ball/ conicals are too effective...ban them.

The smooth-bore guys will complain that rifling in a muzzleloader is a distinct advantage and shouldn't be allowed...ban them.

Now the matchlock guys say that the flintlock offers too much of an advantage...ban them.

Pretty soon...we are all hunting using spears with flint heads. ;)

The separate 1 week muzzleloader season seems to work pretty good here in my part of Ontario. It weeds out some of the idiots that usually hunt the regular gun season.

If you can't see how a Ruger #1 in 7 Rem Mag would have an advantage over even the most modern in-line muzzleloader....I don't know what to say.

Do you guys use your ML's in the regular gun season? I do, just because I like them, and the additional challenge they offer.
 
tacfoley said:
...and I gave a simple, undisputable response.

tac
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Hardly, I doubt you could even get concensus on what traditional is. Matchlock? Flintlock? Caplock? In-line? Percussion? #11 caps? #10 Caps? Musket caps? Smooth bore? Rifled Barrel? Open sights? Scope?

The list goes on.
 
beefman said:
Do you guys use your ML's in the regular gun season? I do, just because I like them, and the additional challenge they offer.
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Absolutely.......

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I it loads via the muzzle, it is a MUZZLE LOADER.:)

I'm glad BC doesn't have a ML season. Too many people would be running around whining about what the other guy was using.:p
 
mooncoon said:
It is not a question of dictating what they can use but when they can use it. ..... My criticism of the inlines is that they have resulted in a loss of seasons here in BC

cheers mooncoon
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Thanks for that mooncoon.Another fine similair example....archery deer seasons in parts of Quebec are presently under threat of being substantially reduced since the inclusion of xbows and the "unforseen" increase of success rates and harvest totals.

beefman said:
As long as too many deer are not being harvested...what is the problem? ...........
Use what YOU like, and stop trying to dictate to other people what they should use. :)
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That IS exactly the problem in some cases...increased harvest equals shorter seasons....but I suppose traditional MLers should probly just quit whining and welcome inlines and shorter seasons with open arms?:HR:
sheephunter said:
Absolutely.......

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Lemme guess Sheephunter....35yard shot?:p
 
I hunt with a muzzle loader because it gives me an extra deer and an earlier season. As for what muzzle loader to use, I leave that up to the hunter. Personally, I use what I deem the most effective and lowest maintenance. Hat's off to those who hunt with bows or flintlocks.
 
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