Bring back open sights

Open sights on a 300 RUM would be laughable. Hell, using a 300 RUM in Bantario is somewhat amusing as well. But if you want to go with that 300 RUM I'd recommend an EOTech on a Picatinny rail. Then your journey to the dark side will be complete.
 
I only like scoped riffle for target shooting or anny long range and target shooting.. Scope have a behter chance of loosing there 0 then a scope, if you drop the riffle scope have more chance of breaking and scope give a tunel vision.... all my gun are iron sighted except my target riffle and my .22 that I use as a target trainner.
 
brokencyde said:
Sorry for the rant but who else is with me?!
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I'm totally with you on this and even made a post a while back about the same thing, and for a variety of reasons.

IMHO Scopes are overpriced, like seriously some cost more then the rifles they are on. Also I suspect they are designed to burn ammo while one sets them up.

And in my experience...
Scopes are fragile, one more thing that can go wrong, bumped, dropped.
Tunnel vision sucks.
Lack of depth perception sucks ie shooting with one eye closed.

Personally I prefer an aperture/peep sight or at the most a bright low profile non magnified red dot sight like the Bushnell trophy I have on my Handi rifle, I shoot with both eyes open.
 
a scope will get you an animal that irons won't....if you put a practical scope on like a fixed 4 power leopold(M8 4x) it will be just or even more durable than iron sights. Use steel rings and bases(weavers)

I have used a m8 leopold in 4x for nearly 30 years.

but I agree that practical rifles should have iron sights as standard equipment. Some days the snow is such that a scope is a handicap for still hunting it is near immposible to keep clear and humidity and temperature make covers useless as well. And it is always good to have a backup if you bust the scope.
 
When hunting in REALLY thick bush, a scope is a terrible hindrance as well. I've had to make shots, recently on dangerous game, through at best pie plate, at worst grapefruit, sized "holes" through the bush at 20 yards or less. With iron sights, you can tell your bore has a clear path through the bush, not just your optic, plus finding the spot on the animal in a hurry in a jumble to thornbush is awful. My vision's still 20/10 in my annual physicals, so it should be a good while until I need glass.
 
I always loved a good set of aperture 'peep' sights. However, after an idiot nurse sprayed a blood thinner into my eye last fall, due to incompetence, my master eye has not been the same. Tried hunting using just the irons this fall and couldn't focus my eye properly. Even the TV screen is a little blurry out of my master eye. My left, which isn't the dominant one, has been compensating for the decreased vision in the right. Just couldn't do it for rifle shooting...so I've had to turn to glass in a big way.
 
Ardent said:
When hunting in REALLY thick bush, a scope is a terrible hindrance as well. I've had to make shots, recently on dangerous game, through at best pie plate, at worst grapefruit, sized "holes" through the bush at 20 yards or less. With iron sights, you can tell your bore has a clear path through the bush, not just your optic, plus finding the spot on the animal in a hurry in a jumble to thornbush is awful. My vision's still 20/10 in my annual physicals, so it should be a good while until I need glass.
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True say man! Last year my uncle talked me into using my scope, well, opening mornin i had a doe come flyin by and i just couldn't find her in the brush with the scope. If i had of had my open sights i could of (dare i say it) had 3 or 4 shots out of my rifle and had her on the ground:eek: So after that morning i ripped the scope off and went back to my trusty irons and shot a big doe later that week ;)
 
Ardent said:
When hunting in REALLY thick bush, a scope is a terrible hindrance as well. I've had to make shots, recently on dangerous game, through at best pie plate, at worst grapefruit, sized "holes" through the bush at 20 yards or less. With iron sights, you can tell your bore has a clear path through the bush, not just your optic, plus finding the spot on the animal in a hurry in a jumble to thornbush is awful. My vision's still 20/10 in my annual physicals, so it should be a good while until I need glass.
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Ardent,

Always enjoy your posts, but would beg to differ with you on this one.

I use both, but it has always seemed easier to me to "thread the needle" through those holes using a low power scope, than with iron sights. Have several Leupold 3X that are just the ticket fore this situation.

Ted
 
I think what Ardent is getting at is that with a scope the line of sight is maybe 1.5 inches above the line of bore at very close range. Ever try to shoot the head off a partridge at very close range with a scoped rifle? Unless you are aware of this fact your shot will go under the bird's head.
 
I use a nice leupold 3-9 which I like a lot but I have had times up in the mountains where I wished I could take that scope off and use irons if my rifle had em because I couldn't see a damn thing through it.
On those cold wet mornings though, where my blacktail senses are tingling...:) I reach for my rifle with irons.
 
Mike Webb said:
I think what Ardent is getting at is that with a scope the line of sight is maybe 1.5 inches above the line of bore at very close range. Ever try to shoot the head off a partridge at very close range with a scoped rifle? Unless you are aware of this fact your shot will go under the bird's head.
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Yep, do it all the time. Hold just over top of head, and pop, it's gone..........usually. :D

Certainly the line of sight begins above the trajectory, but intersects pretty quickly, 25 yd at the farthest. Beyond that everything is going the other way, and takes about 3" at 100 yd to correct with most cartridges.

Just my experience was what I was posting.

Ted
 
I like irons, but a scope is a superior sighting instrument because it places the aiming point and the target on the same focal plane. If the scope's eye relief is sufficient, if the scope it properly mounted on the rifle, and if the magnification is suitable for the range at which you intend to shoot; the scope will work better than any other system we have available to us. But if one element is wrong, chances are you will blow a shot that must be taken quickly. Irons are generally more resistant to damage, and provide sufficient precision to hit a large target at normal hunting ranges, but they can pose difficulty in low light and for an individual with vision issues. I am fortunate to have reasonably good vision that allows me to focus on the front sight, and shoot well with irons, but most of the time that I carry a rifle it wears a glass sight.
 
It's probably us old buzzards and technology driving the demise of iron sights. When you get older your eyes lose the ability to properly focus on the front and rear sights and the target. It's a fact of life. If you shoot long enough, sooner or later you will have to rely on scopes.

The good news is those 1-5's are awesome and superior to irons.

I feel for ya though. I miss the days of slinging up and dumping accurate rounds down the range from my beloved old 98 mauser war horse...
 
Actually, I'm 62 and wear glasses with umpteen 'focals' in them.

Still, if I crick my head so I look over them, the front sight and whatever I'm shooting at are still in focus. With an aperture sight, that's all I need.

All the razzing aside, I admit to using a scope too. Sometimes. In a pinch. But only when nobody's looking.:redface:
It raises too much hell with my Robert Redford / Mountain Man image.:D
 
I LOVE open sights, the gun carries nicer, theres less chance of them being knocked out of line,the rifle is more compact,weighs less....so WHY don't I use them?.....can't anymore-CAN'T FOCUS,a ghost ring and front fiber optic sights help, but I've pretty well resolved to use a low powered scope.....course you earn the scorn of the ''anti bubba '' milsurps purists -but hey-I LIKE to SHOOT my rifles.....[I don't chop milsurps-but if I can find one ALREADY drilled and tapped like my K11-so be it-and I pay less for it too]
The Choate Dragunoff stock I got for my SKS has a removable cheek piece which works just fine-its too high for the open sights,so I just took it off[haven't fired the gun-my boys do-who CAN shoot with iron sights]
 
Glenfilthie said:
It's probably us old buzzards and technology driving the demise of iron sights. When you get older your eyes lose the ability to properly focus on the front and rear sights and the target. It's a fact of life. If you shoot long enough, sooner or later you will have to rely on scopes.

The good news is those 1-5's are awesome and superior to irons.

I feel for ya though. I miss the days of slinging up and dumping accurate rounds down the range from my beloved old 98 mauser war horse...
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I'd love to dump the scope off my .444 marlin, but alas what Glenfilthie states is so true.
 
Glenfilthie said:
It's probably us old buzzards and technology driving the demise of iron sights. When you get older your eyes lose the ability to properly focus on the front and rear sights and the target. It's a fact of life. If you shoot long enough, sooner or later you will have to rely on scopes.

The good news is those 1-5's are awesome and superior to irons.

I feel for ya though. I miss the days of slinging up and dumping accurate rounds down the range from my beloved old 98 mauser war horse...
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I'd love to dump the scope off my .444 marlin, but alas what Glenfilthie states is so true. Thus the 1.5-6 B&L Balvar stays put.
 
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