Basic Black - My new F Class trainer

If it's shooting the 40 grain AE ammo well, the Federal Gold ammo has a load that is exactly the same only the fliers are reduced. There are however two loads. One is 711B and the other is 9 something. The 9 something is the higher velocity one that is identical to the AE 40 grain solids.

I've been using CCI standard in a R55 T/C semi auot. I'm getting 1 moa at 100 yards 5 shot groups when there's no wind. While not the cheapest, the ammo is still fairly cost effective. Especially when it's accurate enough to reliably hit shot gun shells at 100 yards.
 
homer76 said:
With my 10/22 build and a 3-9x Bushnell Rimfire I could reach out to 300 yards which is the limit at the range I use. My range has sand berms so I find it easy to spot my rounds. I was amazed to see my rounds pushed by 3-4 feet with a gust of wind. Bullet drop with 40 gr American Eagles was about 10 feet at 300 yards. According to the ballistic calculator program that I use it would drop about 22 feet at 400 yards. I'll need a 20 MOA scope mount for that.

I am nowhere close to MOA but I am having a lot of fun.
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Long range plinking is way too much fun BUT the novelty runs out quickly when its spray and pray.

What was so much fun about my 1 mile journey was the bullet was always driveable and accuracy was predictable. IF the winds were accounted for, you could drop a bullet on an MOA sized object with repeatability. THAT's COOL.

I am sensing that rimfire ammo, at least at my price point, will become way too unpredicatable.

I have no problem with minute of larger target but if its this way and that way no matter the conditions, then it no longer becomes aimed fire.

I have launched rimfire way out there for S&G's and it is a hoot.

Jerry
 
Dug up a box of RWS target that I have had for years. Winds were very light and at 100yds, a number of 5rds groups had clusters all in the same hole. Unfortunately, the outs were enough to push the groups to 1" and a bit over.

I actually saw a few shots go into the same hole. THAT was cool.

Just wished the 'outs' were closer. might have to break out the piggy bank and get the good stuff :)

Availability is my biggest problem so give me some hints where to find some ammo to test.

Thanks,

Jerry
 
The link I posted earlier... give him a call. He usually has open bricks that he will sell by the box for guys to test, even lot-by-lot. You could get a good variety to try.
 
Jerry,

Nice shooting there! You have inspired me to try squeezing a little more accuracy out of my old Cooey 22s. I should really make a point of punching some paper with my rimfires. Usually I just end up shooting random objects like a lawnmower flywheel at 200 yd or rocks at 300.

Have you run some of that ammo over a chrony? The 40gr feds I chronied were usually in the 1180-1220 range out of a 23" barrel, with the odd shot dumping out around 1080. The CCI blazers were a little slower, maybe averaging 1120 and not as consistent from shot to shot, but didn't seem to lob out fliers 120 fps slower than average either.
 
No chronie yet. I much prefer to see holes in paper.

Knowing that a shot had a screwy velocity and also went zinging off into lala land is great BUT I have not been able to diagnose the ammo before shooting.

Tried the weighing thing and there was no weight range (0.2gr spread) that was consistent. There were several weight groups (Blazers) but they all shot about the same -some good groups, some with serious zingers.

Will give AE 38gr HP another go when I get some ammo next week -was the best grouping HV. CCI Blaser, Rem subsonic, all the Win, Fed HV bulk commonly found on the Walmart/cdn tire shelves have shot poorly on average.

So I am back to quality match ammo. I have now tried eley practise and RWS target with superb results at 100yds. I want to try other brands like Lapua and WOLF and whatever else I can dig up.

Hopefully, I can find something that doesn't cost $10 to 15/box that will shoot consistently enough to group 1" or better at 100yds. Remember I want ALL shots not some or most, to group.

Otherwise, it is getting dangerously close to centerfire cost wise which I know I can make shoot bugholes.

If there are any sorting tech. that work, let me know...

Jerry
 
Jerry,

Any thoughts on how much of an improvement one of your Shilen pre-chambered barrels would be over the stock Savage barrel? Or do you think the vast majority of your issues are from the ammo?

Mark
 
I can say that a quality match barrel like Shilen WILL offer a tangible improvement in accuracy WITH quality match ammo when compared to the average factory barrel.

Factory barrels run the range from awesome to junk with OK being the middle ground. I feel that I have a very good barrel on this factory Savage. Others are reporting positive results but there are others that aren't.

A match barrel shoots - simple as that. Finding the right ammo for it is another matter. It would be so much easier if we could handload.

So what the improvement is really depends on how bad the factory barrel is to start. The 10/22s are a great way to see the massive range of quality in factory barrels. With this wide a range, adding a quality aftermarket improves performance even with generic bulk HV ammo.

And yes, rimfire ammo is an enormous part of the accuracy equation. Why it ranges from $15/box to $2. QC, testing, components, etc are all part of this cost and the top tier ammo is certainly made to a much higher standard and tested to shoot way more consistently.

Can you find an inexpensive ammo that will also shoot decently? Of course but the odds are not in your favor when you are counting all of your shots or when your distances stretch out.

I have done the testing when I was competing in smallbore sihouette and it was plainly obvious that you got what you paid for.

Now I will be testing again using new stuff. I will post my results.

A top quality barrel with the right ammo can drive them ALL into one very small hole at 50m as shown by the BR50 crowd but they are pretty much using the ubber pricey stuff cause 1 flyer out of 50 is even more expensive in a match.

Jerry
 
Took the Savage out in the wind for some 100yds fun. Getting a bit nippy but the rifle shot surprisingly well.

I was using some Eley Practise and Standard and was surprised at how little the bullet actually drifted. Over compensated quite often - but winds were not crazy high either.

There were some zingers which I will blame on the ammo cause follow up shots were right in there. Overall, I would say I was at 90% where I was expecting the bullets to land which is not bad. When the shots did repeat, they were almost touching or cutting the same hole so the potential is there. When they were off, it was almost always vertical.

Will have a bunch of new stuff from Eley, RWS and Lapua in the coming week. If I can find a brand that will drop them ALL into 1" at 100yds, I will be happy.

Ideally, little to no vertical dispersion.

We shall see...

Jerry
 
Been a while that the weather hasn't been minus a whole bunch with strong winds.

Today was right around freezing and pretty calm.

I tested Eley Sport, RWS CLUB, target rifle and rifle match. Lapua Standard plus, Rifle match, pistol match and pistol match special.

For S&G's, I launched some AE 38gr HP. All shooting was at 100yds with no wind flags and were 5 rds groups.

AE started off the fun with the first few shots nearly touching, then zinger here and there to end up with a nice big group. NO further testing.

RWS club was next 1 1/4", 1 1/16" - not bad with 1" of vertical. Most shots were lateral.
RWS Target rifle 7/8", 15/16" - roundish groups. Shots spaced out.
RWS Rifle Match 1 1/16", 13/16" Same thing. 1 shot in the first group was a bit out otherwise, the 1st group would also have been sub 1"

Lapua Std plus 7/8", 11/16", 5/16". Nice. Shots were more clusted together with some overlapping. The 11/16" was a one long lateral tear. The 5/16" groups had 3 in one tear and 2 in another hole cutting each other.

Lapua Rifle match 5/8", 5/8" - all real tight with little vertical. Lateral which might have been due to the light gusts? Very nice indeed.

Lapua pistol match 5/8" 1 1/8" with some flyers. Inconsistent enough to not keep shooting but maybe later.

Lapua pistol match special 1 5/8", 7/8" (4 clustered and 1 out), 3/4". Decent groups but again, a sense that it would toss the occasional shot. More vertical too.

Eley Sport 7/8", 1", 1" pretty stable group size. Shape of groups varied but there was definitely a vertical flyer here and there. Not bad but not great either.

Went back to testing the Lapua's.

Std Plus 7/8", 3/4", 1". Surprising as there was more obvious vertical dispersion. maybe getting tired?

Rifle Match, 13/16" 3/4" , 1" Decent groups but more vertical then previously so maybe I am getting cold and follow through not as good as it was before. Vertical was definitely present.

So for this Savage, RWS is shooting nice roundish groups with pretty consistent accuracy right around 1".

Eley is similar and since it was shot later maybe not shooting as well. Retest in order.

lapua looks like it has the potential to shoot sub 1" with groups as small as 5/8" - 5/16" not uncommon.

I did not foul the barrel between ammos so the first group tended to be larger then the later goups????

At any rate, all of this match ammo shot great with most sub 1". So any has the potential to make the average rimfire shooter very happy.

From a dirt cheap, box stock, bottom end factory rifle, I am very happy with its potential. Wind and fatigue can certainly change results dramatically so more shooting will be needed.

Right now, the Lapua Rifle Match is in the lead with Std plus not too far behind. RWS and Eley might tighten up by shooting more fouling groups before going for 'score'.

We shall see.

Jerry
 
Mystic, try some Eley Match, in my rifle sport grouped better at 50 yards, but Match at 100, NO IDEA how to explain that one other than the Match eley is great at 100 yards. under an inch consistently, for kicks next time your out set up a target at 50 yards, and fire 10 rounds of each at it and see if the groupings are consistent with the 100 yard groupings.
 
Jerry, why such a big scope on that rifle? I shoot close to MOA with a CIL 310, match Eley ammo (available at Bass Pro) and a 4x scope at 100 yards.

Isn't that scope kind of overkill??

Not bashing you in any way, I'm just kind of a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it, 'cause you're likely to phuck it up" kinda guy.
 
In addition to the MOA rail suggested by kombayotch,
you may want to consider these MOA rails as well:

http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3602


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