Silence everyone!

Pfft !! ya dont need to go halfway around the world on some island full of sheep and gorgeous landscapes just to shoot a silenced 308.

Just go west sir !

We purchased property in Wyoming because my wife likes the gorgeous landscapes there and I like to shoot there.

Heres why:

Wyoming State Requirements for:

Rifles and Shotguns -

Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.

Handguns -

Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? No.

Other Requirements -

Is there a State waiting period? No.
Is there a FBI *NICS check for firearm transactions? Yes
Permit to carry a concealed weapon required? Yes. Open carry is OK too !
** Cost of C.C. Permit is $75USD $50 renewal - Good for 5 years

***In fact I get a laugh at my 21 year old kid (BTW - there is no minimum age for Open Carry) - he thinks its so mall ninja cool to open carry his HK Mark23 on his leg ! I tell him to make like BlackWater and pick up and safely escort the Xtra large package from Romas Pizzaria and into the house. Honestly who wants to open carry a giant brick on one leg ?

PS: Ohh did I forget to mention that silencers and full auto are also permitted ?

FunTimes if you can afford all the ammo !

There is a bill being currently debated in the Wyoming senate to pass a hunting permit for full auto. HUH ? I guess Elk must be real dangerous !

Wendy Culkier would be in convulsions if she ever met up with the Wyoming Legislature.


driller212 said:
you ass, i oughta move there and get some of those for myself! haha
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Sendmorebrains, you posted that just to make canuks turn green with envy, didn't you?

When I think of relaxed firearms laws like that, I go into a state of tranquility. Ooooohhhhhmmmmmm.
 
Suppressors definitely should be available under the guise of hearing safety and noise reduction...

There are ordinances for car mufflers, ordinances for noise in the city.... but as soon as guns become involved they need to be as LOUD as they can be.


And its funny how many people think you put a suppressor on and it makes the gun completely quiet :p

I usually have to tell people if a gun is anywhere from 150-170 Db, most GOOD suppressors only do 30 or so DB sound reduction (even though ever 10 DB loaded the sound energy doubles, or so I've been told)
 
As much as it makes sense for us to have suppressors on our firearms the logic behind us not being able to own them is almost sensible...almost..

The reason I was given is that in a high stress police situations where the police are using suppressors, they need to identify the difference between the sound of their firearms from the sound of the perp/criminals firearms. I guess if the bad guys had them, ( which of course we know they do anyways) they wouldn't know where the threat was coming from. That being said, there really is no good reason that all of the law abiding gun owners here, should not have the benefit of quality sound suppression when we are at the range and out hunting. I think most people would agree that the pros by far outweigh the cons.

My two cents..
 
Sputin is correct.
NZ suppressors are pretty poor compared to the stuff available in the states..
and every ham-fisted gunsmith in NZ claims to be a suppressor master.. offering them at the lowest price

so dont feel so bad guys! :)
as with everything, good product costs good money
 
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What you talkin bout Willis? Silencers work just fine with conventional supersonic rounds. Most modern designs are capable of reducing the muzzle signature below the limit for hearing damage from impulse sound ..... meaning they make the gun safe to shoot without hearing protection.
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I was talking about silencers:) Loading a 338 Lapua magnum (with a supressor), and pulling the trigger is a lot different than pulling the trigger on a 338 loaded down to subsonic velocities.

The supersonic 'crack' goes away.

The common misconception is that silencers are completely silent. They are not, unless you also tailor your ammunition accordingly:D
 
I love going down to Idaho. A buddy of mine there builds guns from scratch... and has the neatest full auto 10/22 designed for subsonic rounds, and it has a supressor on it.

The loudest sound is the action cycling, and the impacts on the target.

You can shoot it without ears, but the noise of the action gets a little annoying.
 
sendmorebrains said:
Pfft !! ya dont need to go halfway around the world on some island full of sheep and gorgeous landscapes just to shoot a silenced 308.

Just go west sir !

We purchased property in Wyoming because my wife likes the gorgeous landscapes there and I like to shoot there.

Heres why:

Wyoming State Requirements for:

Rifles and Shotguns -

Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No.
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No.
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No.
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No.

Handguns -

Permit to purchase handgun? No.
Registration of handguns? No.
Licensing of owners of handguns? No.
Permit to carry handguns? No.

Other Requirements -

Is there a State waiting period? No.
Is there a FBI *NICS check for firearm transactions? Yes
Permit to carry a concealed weapon required? Yes. Open carry is OK too !
** Cost of C.C. Permit is $75USD $50 renewal - Good for 5 years

***In fact I get a laugh at my 21 year old kid (BTW - there is no minimum age for Open Carry) - he thinks its so mall ninja cool to open carry his HK Mark23 on his leg ! I tell him to make like BlackWater and pick up and safely escort the Xtra large package from Romas Pizzaria and into the house. Honestly who wants to open carry a giant brick on one leg ?

PS: Ohh did I forget to mention that silencers and full auto are also permitted ?

FunTimes if you can afford all the ammo !

There is a bill being currently debated in the Wyoming senate to pass a hunting permit for full auto. HUH ? I guess Elk must be real dangerous !

Wendy Culkier would be in convulsions if she ever met up with the Wyoming Legislature.
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You just crushed my life! I know where I'm going to move when I'm older.
 
acrashb said:
Really. How many crimes are committed with suppressors today vs before the restrictions?
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http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/....html?id=8a410e4a-198b-44cc-9634-4082c6b86f3d

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/08/06/weapons-seized.html


http://www.cfseu.bc.ca/cms/book/export/html/4

Here's a couple, I could keep going all day but I think this makes my point.
As to how many crimes are committed with suppressors, well my guess is that the majority would fall under the UNSOLVED category...
My original point is that the only people to be caught in Canada with suppressors also seem to have relations to drugs, gangs, and illegal firearms trafficking.

I'm in support of law abiding gun owners owning suppressors, not criminals..
How about you?
 
I'd rather have either a flash hider or muzzle break (Ljungmann AG42 comes to mind) than have something that makes it quiet.

Nothing like the thunderous boom of a 30.06/8mm mauser/12 gauge/.308 winchester or the loud crack of a .223 breaking the quiet of a valley...
 
acrashb said:
I'm in support of not alarming people about suppressors. Same thing, better style.
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So I guess we should edit the facts whenever it's not convenient?
My point is valid, and it does nothing more than suggest that the because of our flawed legal system the only people who have suppressors are the ones using firearms for illegal activities.
So is it stylish to censor? Or do you just get alarmed way too easy?
 
pbr streetgang said:
My point is valid
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Nope. The facts you put forward in support are immaterial (through being anecdotal), for starters.

Some other comments.

pbr streetgang said:
the logic behind us not being able to own them is almost sensible...almost..
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I disagree, and find the statement alarmist.
pbr streetgang said:
high stress police situations where the police are using suppressors, they need to identify the difference between the sound of their firearms from the sound of the perp/criminals firearms.
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This is ludicrous and does not bear repeating, so I find it alarmist to have you (or anyone else) repeat it.

pbr streetgang said:
I guess if the bad guys had them, ( which of course we know they do anyways) they wouldn't know where the threat was coming from.
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Also ludicrous, and the trigger for my core question, which you have not addressed, "How many crimes are committed with suppressors today vs before the restrictions?". I don't know when suppressors became prohib, nor what the stats were before or after. Your quoting a few anecdotes has no value in confirming or dis-confirming the statement "they do anyways", which I find alarming, which is why I challenged you originally.

The challenge was intended to shed light on the interesting question "did the prohibition make a material difference in the criminal use of suppressors and matching criminal outcomes (e.g., murders) or not?". I think not, based on the total lack of evidence of any positive effect from gun control, but this prohibition differs slightly from other types of gun controls and I would like to know through information as opposed to opinion - yours or mine.

Having said all of that, the question may not be readily answerable. The usual objective source is Stats Canada and I don't think they keep information about suppressors used in crime.
 
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