Varrying degrees of breaking the law or poaching, etc...

the keepa said:
I know a lot of poachers , many of them are superb shots and very, very comfortable in the bush .
I would never turn anyone in for any kind of poaching , even when some of their tactics are abhorrent to me , not when the law turns a blind eye to the much greater slaughter perpetuated in the name of traditional and aboriginal rights .
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Until the law applies equally for all hunters, I'll agree with this post and just leave it at that.
 
Oh dear, I think I shouldn't have brought up the Queen!!! :p

But I must agree with joe-nwt. Until everyone has the same opportunity and same costs involved with the hunt there will continue to be hostility towards all the double standards. Don't get me started on other's like taxation, gov't grants and education costs,immigration, etc.........

Seems the law abiding , tax paying working folks ages 18-65 is the biggest minority in this country, but that is fair, we enjoying providing for everyone else, what else would we do with our money, buy more shooting and hunting gear?? :;)
 
who ? the what ? :p
Kelly Timoffee said:
Oh dear, I think I shouldn't have brought up the Queen!!! :p

But I must agree with joe-nwt. Until everyone has the same opportunity and same costs involved with the hunt there will continue to be hostility towards all the double standards. Don't get me started on other's like taxation, gov't grants and education costs,immigration, etc.........

Seems the law abiding , tax paying working folks ages 18-65 is the biggest minority in this country, but that is fair, we enjoying providing for everyone else, what else would we do with our money, buy more shooting and hunting gear?? :;)
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BrotherRockeye said:
I was serious about the time question because I've wondered about it before...
a few minutes here or there...how do you know WHO's got the correct time?
Does LE require a synchronizing every shift so as to be sure that THEIR time is correct,or are hunters at risk if the CO has a crappy watch that runs 5 fast :D
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We had a CO that would impose his own time .
After much heated debate on whether he had the right to come onto our posted private hunting property and harrass us without any probable cause(couldn't see us from the public road, no public complaints, no shots fired) and after checking our tags and licences he stated "....and remember the sun sets at 5:15 to-day so have your guns encased by 5:45 ."
My hunting partner pointed out that according to the CKDR website and his GPS the sun sets at 5:20 so we have until 5:40 .
Mr. Macho CO thumps himself in the chest and hollers " But I say 5:15 "....which stimulated another round of heated debate during which he even placed his hand on his holstered pistol ....prompting me to speculate how comfy he would be with said pistol shoved up his ass.
Needless to say I have never had any abiding admiration or respect for a**hole COs.
He didn't last very long around here .
I would never go out of my way to assist any CO and I treat them with utter contempt .
 
Then expect the same treatment in return my friend.


the keepa said:
We had a CO that would impose his own time .
After much heated debate on whether he had the right to come onto our posted private hunting property and harrass us without any probable cause(couldn't see us from the public road, no public complaints, no shots fired) and after checking our tags and licences he stated "....and remember the sun sets at 5:15 to-day so have your guns encased by 5:45 ."
My hunting partner pointed out that according to the CKDR website and his GPS the sun sets at 5:20 so we have until 5:40 .
Mr. Macho CO thumps himself in the chest and hollers " But I say 5:15 "....which stimulated another round of heated debate during which he even placed his hand on his holstered pistol ....prompting me to speculate how comfy he would be with said pistol shoved up his ass.
Needless to say I have never had any abiding admiration or respect for a**hole COs.
He didn't last very long around here .
I would never go out of my way to assist any CO and I treat them with utter contempt .
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frank derbyshire said:
Your solution is great Dave. Next time i see deer in the back i will shoot them and leave them there ( cause i don't "own" them) that should teach the Queen for letting her animals run at large and destroy my crop. You don't get it, i don't want anything but what is right. You hunt them and reap the benefits of me feeding them. If they are on the queens land all the power to you and her. But if I and the rest of the farmers in the area are "feeding" them ( I know dave we are not feeding them in a feed lot) why should the queen get to collect the fee and the hunter harvest but the farmer provide the land and the feed for nothing. Doesn't make sense to me but commies understand it perfect, something for nothing. What i don't want is guys like you thinking it is all free, NO IT IS NOT DAVE, SOMEONE PROVIDES THE LAND AND THE FEED. Also for the comment about they were here before us. Well yes they were and i would agree to come and level your house so they can have a place to live. You and them can live off the land, good luck. If you look back to before Agriculture came to north america deer populations were half of what we have today, most of the large increase, is do to farming ( more feed, less preditors).
As for dave, most farmers would not go for the shoot and leave solution, most wouldn't like the waste of life but if people aren't willing to pay their part i guess it is the best.
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1- Bringing the queen into the conversation is pathetic, your whining like one makes you seem almost the same.

2-If you are to ignorant to realize that some hunters actually see farmers under pressure from animals and try to help them out ( one deer less eating the crop, if a doe is shot she will not have fawns the next year to add more pressure) i have actually asked for permission right next to land i had permission on to help a farmer out, didn't have to there was lots of deer at both places but tried to help out!

3-So when i offer to help alleviate a problem you would rather charge me extra money eh, ( PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME ALREADY SUPPORT YOU BY BUYING LOCAL AND PAYING TWICE AS MUCH FOR FOOD AT FARMERS MARKETS, YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK THAT COULD CHANGE AS YOU APPRECIATE NOTHING! I WOULD RATHER SIT ON THE CROWN LAND CLOSE TO YOURS EATING A APPLE FROM THE STATES AND SHOOT A DEER THERE!
MEAN WHILE AS THE DEER EAT THE GROUND RIGHT FROM UNDER YOU IT MIGHT DAWN ON YOU, (IF I LET PEOPLE SHOOT DEER THEN THERE IS NOT AS MANY EATING MY CROP, BUT PROBABLY NOT YOU WILL JUST TRY TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THE DEER PAY RENT.

So merry christmas and good luck (to the deer) have a great new year (again to the deer) Hopefully the grich pulls their head out of their rear.
 
Your solution is great Dave. Next time i see deer in the back i will shoot them and leave them there ( cause i don't "own" them) that should teach the Queen for letting her animals run at large and destroy my crop. You don't get it, i don't want anything but what is right.
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Great idea,but why stop there.

If grasshoppers eat your crop,let the government pay all damages.

If your cow breaks it's leg in a badger hole,let the government pay.

If wolves get your calf,let the government pay damages.

If a moose runs out in the road and gets hit by a vehicle,the government should pay all of the damages to the vehicle,and they should pay all of the hospital bills,and wages for lost time at work for the occupants.

If a bear tears up my campsite,I should be able to bill the government for all damages.

If mice chew up the wiring on my vehicle,let the government pay for repairs.

If a wasp or bee stings someone that is allergic,and they die,let the government pay all of the resulting funeral costs,and let the government look after the persons family if they were the wage earner.

When someone contracts an infection,let the government pay all expenses,because those little organisms belong to the government.

I suppose that the government even owns the viruses that are present,so let them pay when someone has a virus.

Just think of all the money that the insurance companies will not have to pay out,so as a result,they can drop our insurance rates.And we won't lose any wages when we get sick anymore,even more savings for us.

Unfortunately our taxes will go up accordingly so that the government can pay for all the damages resulting from the animals and organisms that they own.

Doesn't it make a lot more sense to just let some hunters shoot some of the animals that are eating your crop?
 
It's quite a leap to say buying produce at the farmers market is subsidising farmers wildlife losses. What you are paying for is quality food not something of unknown origin imported from Mexico or China. The problem that always gets me is urban hunters think it is their right to hunt on your property. If I came to town and strolled thru their back yard I sure they would have a fit. Most land owners around here will let you hunt if they know you personally, but too many bad experiences have made them leary of new hunters. Our hunting group also give tokens of our appreciation to any landowners on whose property we are successful. They never ask for it but it is the right and NEIGHBOURLY thing to do
 
Our hunting group also give tokens of our appreciation to any landowners on whose property we are successful.
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Why only the landowners on whose property you were successful?Weren't the other landowners whose land you hunted on just as deserving for letting you hunt on their land?
 
Just curious, why so much hate and anger towards them?? What if a son/ daughter , niece/ nephew wound up being a CO? Would you hate them just the same?

If we didn't have them then we wouldn't have ANY deer to shoot or fish to catch. I don't mind them checking in on my spot or even visiting with them. Keeps the "poachers" we are talking about a little more monitored and out of the law abiding hunters areas to a point.

I don't doubt that there are some that have less than favorable attitudes and practices but I don't think it is fair or appropriate to paint them all with the same brush.



the keepa said:
No skin off my ass....as long as I'm legal, phuque them .
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no it does not if i can do it myself and maybe recoupe some of the cost thru charging hunters or harvesting myself to feed my family. Again don't want anything for free if i have 1 acre damage 1000 dollars should i not be able to recoupe that loss from the government for feeding their animals? Just like if neighbours cattle destroyed crop, pay a grand or give me 2 calves in the spring for my loss. fair is fair.
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So if your neighbors cow walks on to your land,and eats some of your hay,should you be able to kill it and sell the beef to someone?How about charging someone to come on to your land to shoot that cow that belongs to someone else?

Now replace that neighbor''s cow with the governments deer,how does that change things?In both cases,you don't own the cow or the deer that are on your property.
 
You don't get it ,Stubblejumper, as neighbours(and friends) they don't EXPECT anything ,it is a friendly gesture on their part In SW Ont most farms are 200-300 acres some as much as 1000. We hunt deer in aproximately 12 blocks of land at 1000 acres per block that's somewhere in the vincinity of 30 individuals each year not counting what we own ourselves,. It is unrealistic to donate to everyone and again they don't expect it. What part of the concept of being neighbourly don't you get?
As far as damage to crops go you really have to see what a bunch of deer/turkeys/geese do to a field before you can pass comment. most hunters are out after harvest when the evidence and extent of destruction is gone.
 
It is unrealistic to donate to everyone and again they don't expect it. What part of the concept of being neighbourly don't you get?
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I fully appreciate the concept of being neighborly,but I remember the landowners that always let us access their land whether I am successful or not.If I know that the landowner likes a drink now and then,he gets a bottle of something of good quality,whether I kill an animal on his land or not.I have purchased a fair amount of Hickory Farms baskets over the year as well, that went to landowners.I just don't base my appreciation on whether I am successful or not.

I have also repaired fences that I found down,cut holes in the ice on dugouts for cattle to drink from,and helped a landowner get his vehicle running,when he was broken down.As much as I despise game ranching,I even spent the best part of a day to round up a herd of buffalo that escaped from the adjacent property onto the land that we were hunting.I also report trespassers that don't have permission,and close the gates that other people leave open,and I have never had any problem getting access for hunting.

Do you think deer just walk on your property once, eat a little and leave? If so you should get out more. Deer will come back time and again with more to feed. Now replace the cattle above with the government deer and you will see it is very unfair to the farmer and for far to long we have sucked it up and payed for your sport.
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As far as damage to crops go you really have to see what a bunch of deer/turkeys/geese do to a field before you can pass comment. most hunters are out after harvest when the evidence and extent of destruction is gone.
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I am well aware of the damage that deer,elk and geese can do,since I grew up in a farming community,and my family farmed.My family,and all of the other farmers knew about crop damage due to animals,hail,drought etc,when they started farming,so they accepted it as part of the cost of doing business.Now say a landowner could charge for access for hunting,how many would only charge enough to make up for what the animals have eaten?Very soon,it would be like the USA where costs have risen to where some landowners make as much from hunting access than they make from farming.Some landowners in New Mexico receive up to $2500 for every hunter that sets foot on their property for a five day hunt.I doubt that an elk eats $2500 worth of browse on range land that isn't even cropped.
 
I know first hand that the CO's are as frustrated as we are with these issues.It isn't the CO's stance on the hunting privileges they just enforce the laws at hand. There job title is "conservation" and when they see their efforts being futile I doubt they feel very good about it. We are just shooting the messenger if we get angry at CO's for carrying out their duties. If we want change it has to come from a much higher level where our elected officials are at, and unfortunately it is the public who decides who is in power. They don't makes the rules , your legislature makes the laws and rules regarding wildlife/hunting/aboriginal rights within the province.

Maybe we have to take a look at ourselves and see who we are putting into power.Unfortunately our hunting rights and privileges are extremely low on the politicians list of priorities.

Hope I am making sense.:confused:


the keepa said:
Not so much hate and anger towards them as contempt, contempt for their stance on our supposedly faultless angelic so-called First Nations.
If the COs treat me with civility I will also be civil .
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