Best non-res SHTF gun?
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fat tony
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I read a book recently called: "Guerrilla Warfare" by Yank Levy. (forget about the provocative title for a minute). This man advocated getting yourself a reliable, accurate, and relatively powerful military style centerfire rifle, and knowing how to use it to the best effect. He did not go into details about what type is better than any other. But anyways, he offers some excellent insights about this sort of situation, take note that his experience was based on his work during the Spanish Civil War, and during the darkest days of WWII, when England was in danger of falling into a black abyss. But I thought about the Tamer as it can be very quickly broken down into a very compact package, fires a relatively formidable load (325 grain slugs), ability to fire buck shot (if you can find it for sale) - basically it would be okay in a pinch up to probably 50 yards with slugs. Of course if I was to have a 'duty shotgun' it would be a good quality pump action 12 gauge, the usual suspects would be a Remington 870 (I am partial to Wingmasters), an Ithaca # 37 would be good, 
and of course the fast cycling Winchester 1300.
and of course the fast cycling Winchester 1300. 
blasted_saber
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I dont exactly get why people think 7.62x39 is so readily available. I'd never even seen 7.62x39 until I visited a large gun shop well into my life. Where do you suppose the marauding hordes will be hitting first? I'd wager the large gun shops that carry x39.
Hunters, on the other hand, are everywhere across Canada, with "normal" ammo available in every town just about. Im sure I could turn up several boxes of 3006, 308, 3030, 12g, within a few hundred meters of my house in a true SHTF scenario. Moving onto .22LR, well, that is readily available everywhere. I'd wager most gun owners own a .22.
The chances are FAR better of finding "fudds" 13 rounds of 3006, or his half full box of .22LR which he purchased new in 1971, then finding "CGNers" crate of x39.
Hunters, on the other hand, are everywhere across Canada, with "normal" ammo available in every town just about. Im sure I could turn up several boxes of 3006, 308, 3030, 12g, within a few hundred meters of my house in a true SHTF scenario. Moving onto .22LR, well, that is readily available everywhere. I'd wager most gun owners own a .22.
The chances are FAR better of finding "fudds" 13 rounds of 3006, or his half full box of .22LR which he purchased new in 1971, then finding "CGNers" crate of x39.
Why would you ever plan on finding ammo down the road after a catastrophe serious enough that a rifle was really necessary?
Never count on any ammo you don't already own. That is why people like x39... It is cheap enough to keep 10,000 rounds on hand for practically anyone.
It seems this thread as gone from the best SHTF firearm to the perfect gun for the job..
For firsts, all of you are presuming that you've surpassed the rules of engagements, to the last one thus being use of total force.
This is not the case since a gun can and will be used to persuade or intimidate (Mossberg has a good one the ''Persuader" correct me if I'm worng of course), in SHTF it doesn't mean you'll be shooting everybody, most accounts would be my gun is bigger than yours, now back off scenario if this would ever occur, or the best weapon of all your mouth! If you talk your way out of a situation by outwitting your opponent instead of shooting someone so be it! (This is where people in sales will really shine) I mean most of you on here won't have the guts to pull the trigger if you have to, just quoting by experience.
Use your head then to the next step!
For firsts, all of you are presuming that you've surpassed the rules of engagements, to the last one thus being use of total force.
This is not the case since a gun can and will be used to persuade or intimidate (Mossberg has a good one the ''Persuader" correct me if I'm worng of course), in SHTF it doesn't mean you'll be shooting everybody, most accounts would be my gun is bigger than yours, now back off scenario if this would ever occur, or the best weapon of all your mouth! If you talk your way out of a situation by outwitting your opponent instead of shooting someone so be it! (This is where people in sales will really shine) I mean most of you on here won't have the guts to pull the trigger if you have to, just quoting by experience.
Use your head then to the next step!
It's why the pistol becomes so valuable in disaster SHTF. On high cannot take away what they cannot see.
Good points but I have sme bad news for you and it was mentioned in this thread before, restricteds are the ones easier for picking since they are the List. In theory by a push of a button, all restricteds, especially pistols can be confiscated quite easily by your local detachment, all they need is good reason to do so. Thats why they are restricted, just a thought.
By the same token
, a simple button-activated EMP might wipe-out all the same records...Needless Disclaimer: I am not advocating the illegal construction/detonation of an EMP-device against government data/facilities...
beavis_m305
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By the same token
Needless Disclaimer: I am not advocating the illegal construction/detonation of an EMP-device against government data/facilities...
good point in the event of a VERY brief nuclear exchange ie: one that was realistically survivable, with not too much contamination of food and water supply, the EMP from said exchange may very well fry all electronics on the ground. goodbye gun registry for sure. but goodbye to everything else that has a circuit too. could be even worse if a catastrophic solar event occurred.
At this time non-restricted guns are also on the list. In the event of a disaster I can't see why it should be any easier to confiscate stuff of the restricted list than off the non-restricted list.
the_klenzer
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Thanks Blueflash and TDC as well. Good info! I think you've persuaded me to save up for the CZ858 instead of getting an SKS and add ons.
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USGI Stocked M14 and a few cases of Henry's cheap .308 should do it...1MOA accuracy and a gun that will eat anything you force into its chamber.....???
fat tony
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Thanks for your input, I was trying to get at something like this through my input.
It would be extremely difficult to pick millions of firearms, which most are bolt guns & sporting shotguns. Restricteds which the count is in the 10%+- of all firearms in this country would be, lets say...A lot easier, especially if the merchandise are handguns & blacks under control. Just being logic.
With legalities, my fav would be the Swiss Arms. The most logic ones, non restricted FS2000 or Tavor because they make a good truck gun but not as accurate as the PE90 or Carbine model.
Someone mentioned a 30M1 paratrooper Carbine, if it wasn't for ammo inavailability (Not saying its impossible to get the ammo but harder than .223 or 7.62x39mm etc..) would be a good one, but pricey since they are not common, the Ruger mini-14 is not a bad choice either especially the A-Team model
I'm a big fan of ''Persuaders'' as well, A SxS and pump 12g shorty or semi-auto 12g is a good start.
By the same token
Certainly not. It MIGHT destroy computers and harddrives, sure. But it being Govt, they have significant standards for their computers and data storage... it would shock me to no end if they didn't have:
-backup drives in another province, say Quebec or Saskatchewan.
-third party commercial ultra-secure backup, say like IronMountain in Coquitlam.
-paper records, generated by automatic printing, as a backup in case the whole system crashes hard.
Besides, if an EMP device (even non-nuke versions) were ever actually used, I'd bet a stack of cash that we'd have much bigger problems than whether or not our govt has records of what we own...MUCH bigger problems! Problems like the "sh!t has hit the fan"...
As for the original post:
Basic SKS, 12gauge pump or semi, and a .22 like the 1022 for small game food
