omegaboost
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how is the the PE90 any more accurate than both of those guns? I remember one dude here comparing one to a norc M4 and the Norc actually had better groups. It was shooting somewhere around ~1.5MOA if I remember.
Best non-res SHTF gun?
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how is the the PE90 any more accurate than both of those guns? I remember one dude here comparing one to a norc M4 and the Norc actually had better groups. It was shooting somewhere around ~1.5MOA if I remember.
fat tony
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It would not surprise me if some douchebag or biker girlfriend working at the registry has already sold the entire database to every country / criminal organization on earth, and probably wikileaks.
I know the type of person that works in call centers and they don't really give a damn about anything, except taking care of # 1.
The problem with a either the Garand or M14 is weight. One can carry twice as much ammo for a 5.56 gun than they can for a 7.62 gun with no change in weight. I know someone is going to say " but 7.62 has the range and barrier penetration advantage". Sure it does, but who can accurately shoot to 500 plus yards and make hits? Who is foolish enough to waste ammo shooting through a barrier?
TDC
Brutus
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I am not going to get pulled into a 5.56 vs 7.62 debate thank you.(not on topic)
This is my tool of choice, and that's it. Niether am I going to bring into question anyone's marksmanship ability.(not on topic)
This is my tool of choice, and that's it. Niether am I going to bring into question anyone's marksmanship ability.(not on topic)
Who cares if it's restricted when SHTF? If there is still rule of law, S has not HTF, right? If the is no rule of law, nothing is restricted.
Maybe I'm oversimplifying
You're not over simplifying, but the OP asked for non restricted RIFLES(not shotguns, for those who selected a shotgun).
There's no real debate on calibre. The weight penalty for 7.62 is simple math nothing more. Their effectiveness with regards to terminal performance is governed by the same rule as any calibre, shot placement.
Ones marksmanship abilities are of concern when deciding which rifle is best suited for SHTF work. One could argue that a 50BMG rifle would offer the greatest terminal performance, range, and barrier penetration. However, if you can't carry enough ammo or hit sh*t with it, its of no value. Selecting a rifle that is best suited to the anticipated type of engagement(s) would be a benefit. An easy handling, light weight, reliable, high rate of fire(read semi auto) design will work for most situations. A precision bolt gun for example has advantages over a rifle meeting the above criteria. The bolt gun also has disadvantages, most of which are limited to the shooters ability to employ it and the likelihood of needing a long range precision system.
Selecting a rifle based on personal opinion and/or romance over the design with no regard for the other factors such as the users ability, intended environment, intended engagement(s), and mechanical advantages/disadvantages(weight, ammo weight and availability) is a fatal mistake.
This thread is about selecting the right tool for the right job. And that involves selecting the right tool for the user as well.
TDC
I doubt it. Listen, if the gov'mint is going to go to all the trouble to go to your home to confiscate your personal property on the grounds of public safety, then they would take everything. Every firearm regardles of classification would be confiscated and destroyed immediately. If such extreme measures were necessary, they wouldn't allow you to own any firearm.
If we had total societal breakdown, there's no way in the gov'mint would have the manpower or resources to even consider such a scheme. Hell, I doubt they could even pull it off today if firearm ownership (in general) was prohibited.
Look at the situation the Feds had to deal with in the aftermath of severe winter storms in Ontario and Quebec in past years. It took them considerable time in even assisting local authorities in restoring even basic services such as electricity. In a SHTF situation, the military would be lucky if they could sustain themselves for any great length of time, let alone us pesky civilians.
CanadianReich
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SKS, VZ58 for intermedia rifle, a remington 870 12 guage for close quarters (or norinco/dominion arms clone).
On restricted side id go Vz58 for the chrome lining, and get a handgun....an old 6 shooter 357 magnum as they also shoot .38 cal ammo and you can make your own ammo ez from any old lead lying around. Id also suggest a soviet TT33- dirt cheap (200 bucks), ammo comes in dirt cheap crates (less than 10 cents a shot!)........all very reliable firearms.
Any bolt-action rifle too....that action is unstopable.
On restricted side id go Vz58 for the chrome lining, and get a handgun....an old 6 shooter 357 magnum as they also shoot .38 cal ammo and you can make your own ammo ez from any old lead lying around. Id also suggest a soviet TT33- dirt cheap (200 bucks), ammo comes in dirt cheap crates (less than 10 cents a shot!)........all very reliable firearms.
Any bolt-action rifle too....that action is unstopable.
blasted_saber
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What im saying is that if I had to, in a total SHTF scenario, common hunting cartridges will be far, far easier to find then x39. I live in a rural setting. I'll bet my left nut theirs more of any one of 308, 3006, 12g, or .22 with a 1 km radius of me, then anything that shoots x39 in a 100 km radius. I dont know about you, but I'd also be scooping up ammo if I stumbled upon it whether I immediately needed it or not. And its a hell of a lot asier to carry a brick of .22LR then a crate of 7.62x39
You know what would be 100 times easier to find than that, though? Some of the thousands of rounds you already own. I would never, ever count on finding other people's ammo when in times of dire necessity. Plan around a shortage.
And I would guess that any situation which resulted in the police going door-to-door confiscating pistols would also see them confiscating 858s and M14s and everything else likely to make the "most useful defensive non-restricted defensive firearms" list.
So I don't see any particular utility in avoiding restricteds for this sort of thing, myself. I am a firm believer that a Glock is a lot more useful in the vast majority of situations for the vast majority of people than a Noveske.
And I would guess that any situation which resulted in the police going door-to-door confiscating pistols would also see them confiscating 858s and M14s and everything else likely to make the "most useful defensive non-restricted defensive firearms" list.
So I don't see any particular utility in avoiding restricteds for this sort of thing, myself. I am a firm believer that a Glock is a lot more useful in the vast majority of situations for the vast majority of people than a Noveske.
Starscream
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"I'm sorry officer, when Hurricane Make-Believe hit someone broke into my house and stole my pistols. I did not report it because the fact that it's a bit trivial to report a stolen gun given that what's left of the police station and everyone in it could fit in a pocket book."
The PE90 is capable of even better than that with RUAG..Factory specs states so before hitting the store shelves..Well your Norc M4, the authorities already have it, just a matter fo time before they retake possesion of it
It is not impossible but it could be a possibility. Remember the Famas & SPAS 12 how the owners got a letter in the mail stating they had 3 months to dispose of them at any LE establishments.
2 million+ CFC letters sent at the same time, not impossible if time permits
