What 9mm to purchase for my 1st?
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If you go with an M&P9, the JG (Julie Goloski) model looks like a good choice. It doesn't have the magazine disconnect and it comes with Warren Tactical sights. Stock photos show them with the pink grip inserts, but they also come with a set of black ones as well.
There is also the 5" barreled Pro model, which also doesn't have the magazine disconnect and has the Performance Centre sear.
There is also the 5" barreled Pro model, which also doesn't have the magazine disconnect and has the Performance Centre sear.
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- Ottawa, Ontario
cz 75b or 75b omega you cant go wrong with either one
This is my first kick at the cat. I am looking to buy my first 9mm and would like to shoot IPSC in the near future. I have researched quite a bit and am looking at the CZ Shadow, but am a little reluctant to spend too much at this point. There is a like new S&W M&P 9mm for a good price. Please help with my decision.
Tks,
If you are looking at get into IPSC for a limited budget, even you ask all the gun site in Canada, State and Euro, all you will get the answer will be CZ Shadow or 85 combat, Tanfoglio and M&P. Glock guy and Sig guy will usually back off because their gun is not quite designed for IPSC nor not at your price range. CZ Shadow give you the best bang of buck with its sweet trigger and adjustable night site. Shop around and see how it work for you. Understand even you try a gun for several hundred rounds, it couldn't tell how it work for you unless you use it for a long while.
Trigun
Just keep in mind the main ideas of polymer frame: to be inexpensive and low in weight. It also has better corrosion resistance. When least expensive polymer frame pistols cost only 15-20 percent lower then their steel frame counterpart on civil market, it eliminates their first advantage. If your hand is strong enough to hold 1 kg pistol, then you don't care about having it 200-300 grams lighter.
If you are not going to drop the pistol into a paddle, and do not clean it for a day or two, then corrosion resistance of the frame is not an issue too.
Therefore, I would vote for Shadow. I had a chance to review it pretty thoroughly and would tell if it is not ideal then very close to it from engineering standpoint. So far I haven't found anything I wanted to see to be made differently from how it is.
If you are not going to drop the pistol into a paddle, and do not clean it for a day or two, then corrosion resistance of the frame is not an issue too.
Therefore, I would vote for Shadow. I had a chance to review it pretty thoroughly and would tell if it is not ideal then very close to it from engineering standpoint. So far I haven't found anything I wanted to see to be made differently from how it is.
There are commercial ranges in this Province where you can TRY these makes and models, to see not only what works in your hands, but what works when you point it downrange. Be careful of buying something inexpensive and then having to buy something else. Be even more careful of buying something that turns out to suck for you, regardless of the excellent opinions of your friends, etc. Try before you buy would be good. Pay attention to the ones they use as range guns, since those will probably have a demonstrated track record of shooting reliably for a long time. Go to a couple of ranges.
Worst case, you'll discover you don't like the sport, and save a bunch of money but never get to meet all the great people here.
Best case, you'll find the gun that works for you, get to really like the sport, and get to BEAT all the great people here.
Worst case, you'll discover you don't like the sport, and save a bunch of money but never get to meet all the great people here.
Best case, you'll find the gun that works for you, get to really like the sport, and get to BEAT all the great people here.
Lemme tell you what's gonna happen here...
First, the CZ owners are going to tell you that the Shadow was designed for IPSC, and because of it's low bore axisit's the only thing you should consider for the sport.
Then the Glock owners are going to chime in and tell you that because Glocks are cheaper than a Thai hooker, and you can drag them behind a truck, underwater, and through lava, and still fire them, you should buy a Glock. (Yes, this is despite the fact that you may never have been dragged behind a truck, can't swim, and avoid lava as if it were, well, lava.)
Next the M&P owners will insist that their M&Ps are as good or better than Glocks. (Are they right? Who cares??)
About this time, SIGophiles are going to tell you that you're going to end up with a SIG down the road anyways, so you might as well save up and buy one first, then you won't have to mess about with inferior weapons.
Then someone with a Beretta is going to tell you that, based on the US Military's use of them, you should TOTALLY buy a Beretta, because it's a proven design, and nothing is prettier.
Is any of this useful information? No. Somewhere in the middle there, someone is going to tell you to go and handle all of the above and more, and pick the one that feels best in your hand. Guess who you should listen to?
(Did I miss anyone?)
The easiest way to say this is FORD, CHEVY, DODGE...
Yeah, but I'm endlessly entertained by the people who obviously don't read the earlier posts & then go on to post exactly what I said they would!
(Oh, and SIG all the way. To paraphrase Mr. Warren Miller: If you don't buy one this year, you'll just be one year older when you do...)
Pistolwhiptricks
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- Mississauga
Lemme tell you what's gonna happen here...
First, the CZ owners are going to tell you that the Shadow was designed for IPSC, and because of it's low bore axis
Then the Glock owners are going to chime in and tell you that because Glocks are cheaper than a Thai hooker, and you can drag them behind a truck, underwater, and through lava, and still fire them, you should buy a Glock. (Yes, this is despite the fact that you may never have been dragged behind a truck, can't swim, and avoid lava as if it were, well, lava.)
Next the M&P owners will insist that their M&Ps are as good or better than Glocks. (Are they right? Who cares??)
About this time, SIGophiles are going to tell you that you're going to end up with a SIG down the road anyways, so you might as well save up and buy one first, then you won't have to mess about with inferior weapons.
Then someone with a Beretta is going to tell you that, based on the US Military's use of them, you should TOTALLY buy a Beretta, because it's a proven design, and nothing is prettier.
Is any of this useful information? No. Somewhere in the middle there, someone is going to tell you to go and handle all of the above and more, and pick the one that feels best in your hand. Guess who you should listen to?
(Did I miss anyone?)
I think this topic was pretty well covered by acm. Funny how these topics always pop up and drag on.
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+1
Almost exactly my experience. Spent 2 months renting. Renting can subdue the purchase desire a little - clears the mind. Make notes. Coincidentally I also ended up picking the M&P 9 Pro Series. Personal preference only. Buy what works for you - but try before you buy so you know what works for you.
Oh I missed one add SIG = Toyota
by the way I read all the posts... PS +2 to my post count. what I can tell you is buy a gun that feels really good in your hands points & handles well. trying one before you buy does help. But because it's a handgun this is very hard to do this, it's not like you can rent them. I have bought countless number of guns over the last 15 years only to find out later I didn't like the way they feel or handled. for me I keep coming back to the 1911 as it can be customized with tons of aftermarket parts & has a very short trigger pull. But that is my liking and needs. most gun out there will work great in a match. the post about makes real good cense. accept for the M&P never shot one yet.
Wolfstrack
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Lower Mainland BC
go for a SIG 226 and forget all the plastics...
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned about the design and look of the pistol.
For me, it not only has to feel good in my hands, it also has to look good. What do people do when they're not shooting their guns at the range? They clean/maintain them, and part of that fun is just admiring the fine design/shape of these pistols, so why buy something that you don't think looks good, just because everyone else says it's the best "starter" pistol?
This may not apply to everyone because I know some people like anything that goes "bang", regardless of the look. I, for one, want to own something that I can spend all day doing nothing but staring at, and admiring how finely crafted it is.
For me, it not only has to feel good in my hands, it also has to look good. What do people do when they're not shooting their guns at the range? They clean/maintain them, and part of that fun is just admiring the fine design/shape of these pistols, so why buy something that you don't think looks good, just because everyone else says it's the best "starter" pistol?
This may not apply to everyone because I know some people like anything that goes "bang", regardless of the look. I, for one, want to own something that I can spend all day doing nothing but staring at, and admiring how finely crafted it is.
I find it interesting that no one has mentioned about the design and look of the pistol.
For me, it not only has to feel good in my hands, it also has to look good. What do people do when they're not shooting their guns at the range? They clean/maintain them, and part of that fun is just admiring the fine design/shape of these pistols, so why buy something that you don't think looks good, just because everyone else says it's the best "starter" pistol?
This may not apply to everyone because I know some people like anything that goes "bang", regardless of the look. I, for one, want to own something that I can spend all day doing nothing but staring at, and admiring how finely crafted it is.
You are right, shooting is a hobby, for us gun is a toy, not something use for combat nor save our ass, hard earn money has to buy something reliable, look good and feel good and most important is inexpensive
Trigun
^^^ exactly.
There's nothing wrong with buying a Glock or a CZ as the first pistol because they seem to be very good and offer a lot for the price, but there's also nothing wrong with buying something "out of the norm", if you know what you want and how much you are willing to spend to get it. That's what's good about any hobby - choices!
I can't help but to draw parallels between shooting sports and photography - Nikon or Canon? Best starter camera? Best starter lens? etc etc The advice given are eerily similar as well - get what feels good in your hand, has good reliability, is within your price range, does everything well and can handle most situations, and something you can grow into as you get more involved with the hobby. Good advice for myself too (I'm still a newbie)!
There's nothing wrong with buying a Glock or a CZ as the first pistol because they seem to be very good and offer a lot for the price, but there's also nothing wrong with buying something "out of the norm", if you know what you want and how much you are willing to spend to get it. That's what's good about any hobby - choices!
I can't help but to draw parallels between shooting sports and photography - Nikon or Canon? Best starter camera? Best starter lens? etc etc
The advice given are eerily similar as well - get what feels good in your hand, has good reliability, is within your price range, does everything well and can handle most situations, and something you can grow into as you get more involved with the hobby. Good advice for myself too (I'm still a newbie)!...but there's also nothing wrong with buying something "out of the norm", if you know what you want and how much you are willing to spend to get it. That's what's good about any hobby - choices!
That gave me a warm feeling in the sub-cockle area.
This is my first kick at the cat. I am looking to buy my first 9mm and would like to shoot IPSC in the near future. I have researched quite a bit and am looking at the CZ Shadow, but am a little reluctant to spend too much at this point. There is a like new S&W M&P 9mm for a good price. Please help with my decision.
Tks,
If you're not in a rush to purchase than visit a store that has pistol rentals and try out a few or visit your club on its busiest day/evening and see who's got what and maybe try out a few. Even better, visit a range that is holding a IDPA or IPSC club match and see who's shooting what. These ranges usually allow visitors without an issue but call or e-mail first to be sure it's OK.
Unfortunately our sport is unlike buying stuff from Wal-Mart where you buy, try and return. So unless you want to start collecting but go the route of getting the M&P9 first because it's "cheaper" than decide you rather shoot a all steel pistol like the Shadow than you'll end up paying more had you not bought the Shadow right from the get go. You'll sell the M&P9 and all the accessories at a reduced price that will meet market value or less (unless the $US improves and new inventory prices rises) and unless you buy used have to buy your new pistol and all the necessary accessories especially if you plan to shoot IPSC.
This has been my recent experience in the last 2.5 year shooting IPSC.
First IPSC pistol was a G21 then sold it and went M&P9 and just sold that and all it's accessories.... what have I been using since summer??? the CZ Shadow. Had I known what I know now I would have gone Shadow right from the get go.
I also like the fact that the Shadow offers a .22cal conversion kit (for me and IPSC practice it is the one trigger system and profile so it will fit my holster) so I can practice drills/movement, trigger control, trigger finger muscle memory and so on with .22cal ammo. I can shoot 500+ rds at a day at the range and not flinch on the cost of ammo and at the same time watch my shooting friends quit at 200 - 300rds.... $$$$. Also the .22cal magazine are made out of metal.
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Buy them all, one at atime!
1 unit per year.
If you live 20 more years, you'll have 20 different handguns.
No need to choose, they all are good working piece of equipment.
For a first gun, choose the most beautiful in your eyes!
It's like choosing your first GF!
1 unit per year.
If you live 20 more years, you'll have 20 different handguns.
No need to choose, they all are good working piece of equipment.
For a first gun, choose the most beautiful in your eyes!
It's like choosing your first GF!
