M&P MAG safety

wicked_police said:
From your posts above, that's readily apparent to most.

What's apparent is some animals should have there own forums, oink oink oink


Why not? Are you that sloppy with basic skills that you don't know when to put your finger on the trigger while using a holster? Because putting your finger on the trigger when you aren't supposed to is pretty much the only issue with not being comfortable with a round in the chamber.
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Accident do and have happened exept for perfect people like you, go to the kitchen and get yourself a hero buscuit.
 
Doing something you aren't supposed to is not an accident. It's negligent.


And I keep my hero buscuits by the couch so I don't have to go to the kitchen.
 
wicked_police said:
I thought I'd ignore it.
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Well you are a bigger man than me..

It is bad enought this nitwit who knows zero about firearms and even less about shooting sports is wasting everyone's time posting uninformed bull#### but to start spewing that kind of crap is not to be tolerated.

If he doesn't post an immeditae apology he should be banned.

John
 
For all us "target shooters" i don't see how the mag disconnect is such a PITA, I for one am not in the habit of shooting sans mag. I can see how it would be a detriment in a LE type scenario but for sport use=useless. For the record my M&P .45 has no disconnect and my .40 has one, neither firearm functions any differently at the range (provided i don't feel like dropping the mag in the .40 to bust out a single round).
 
reddog, the main pain in the ass for sport shooters is when they have to unlaod and show clear, both sports in canada actually want the hammer to fall and strike the firing pin same as they would if it where for real.... with the mag safety some guns still go "click" when fired and alot of range officers have "assumed" the gun is clear, when one round may still be in the spout but did not fire because the magazine was out when they gave the "unload and show clear" command.

this creates a safety hazard for shooting sports.... the M&P, ruger SR9 as well as a few other have the mag safety and range officers/safety people have to be educated in the procedures to ensure a live round is not left in the gun.

especially with competitors that rush thru the unload procedure...
 
"For the record my M&P .45 has no disconnect and my .40 has one, neither firearm functions any differently at the range (provided i don't feel like dropping the mag in the .40 to bust out a single round)"

I think it's a problem for IDPA competitors who need to show the weapon clear after they have completed a round. You are supposed to remove the magazine, rack the slide, and pull the trigger to drop the hammer. The procedure doesn't work so well with a magazine disconnect.
 
Would locking the slide back and exposing the empty chamber not show clear? Pulling the trigger to drop the striker only accomplishes to fire an unsafe gun, if the chamber is clear who cares if it is still cocked? I can see your point in a competition sense but i am having trouble making sense of it, if i have dropped the mag and racked the slide to eject any round in the gun why pull the trigger?
 
thetrigger pull is the final check that the gun is unloaded.... yes it is redundant but any competitor will tell you they have SEEN someone who was unloaded and shown clear put a round into the ground when they went "hammer down"..... consider it an extra safety factor.... end of story.
 
pepsicola said:
thetrigger pull is the final check that the gun is unloaded.... yes it is redundant but any competitor will tell you they have SEEN someone who was unloaded and shown clear put a round into the ground when they went "hammer down"..... consider it an extra safety factor.... end of story.
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I am not trying to argue competition rules here but if a round is put into the ground the firearm was NOT proven clear. And with the mag disconnect the round chambered would not be a problem (so long as the mag is ejected) should it get missed no?

P.S. The rules are the rules not trying to suggest changing them but illogical is illogical.
 
redddogg69 said:
I am not trying to argue competition rules here but if a round is put into the ground the firearm was NOT proven clear. And with the mag disconnect the round chambered would not be a problem (so long as the mag is ejected) should it get missed no?

P.S. The rules are the rules not trying to suggest changing them but illogical is illogical.
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the point is that the hammer down command is just another step in the safety chain, when that chain gets broken by the competitor rushing thru the unload and show clear drill and not allowing the RO/SO time to verify each step of the way the dropping of the hammer is the end all be all of showing a clear gun..... as long as the ro/so realizes the limitations of guns with magazine safties as they are applied into the sporting enviroment.

frankly it is a non issue in the sporting world because the RO/SO will just have the competitor insert an empty magazine to drop the hammer, therefore following the rules and procedures of the sport.

another competition rule, is no handling of the gun out of "safety" areas... so why pray tell do we have to unload and show clear after a stage of fire ??

just the way it goes....

as far as magazine disconnects saving an officers life, I believe it is department policy that has proven out over time, same theroy of carrying a decocked beretta 92FS with the safety on (LAPD), the bad guy might not realize the gun will not fire while the officer will know and may give him some time to mount an offensive....

does this policy work 100% of the time.... no.... but like the safety rules in the sporting community they are redundant with the ultimate goal of stopping ND/AD's and just plain stupidity. :)
 
redddogg69 said:
I just don't see why so many people see this feature as such a problem lol mountain out of mole hill i guess :D Cheers
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people see it as a problem because the gun may go click instead of bang in a life or death situation.... they have no control over the magazine safety except by making sure there is a magzine present in the gun... even though there is a round in the chamber and that single round may be what makes the difference bewteen life and death people see it as a liability in not being able to fire that one shot if need be (and I tend to agree with them)

the magazine safety is a fix for a problem that was never present except in certain overly safety concious minds, mainly in Law Enforcement.... most civilians would not carry a modern gun for CCW that has a magazine safety, and this is bourne out thru the sales of the M&Ps in the USA which sells more of the non safety models then they do safety..... frankly it is my belief that canada got the mag safety models dumped on us and thats why for the first few shipment you could NOT buy a M&P in canada without the safety because no one in the USA woud buy them.

it is funny that kodiak had to import some of the first "non" safety models into canada by sidestepping the canadian importer and importing them himself. ( same deal as questar and the mini glocks )
 
I hear ya (and agree) however most that ##### about it are neither LE or able to CCW. If I was that worried about it in a CCW scenario it would be a moot point as my CCW would be a wheel gun.
 
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