Battle Comp 1.0 vs. YHM 5C2 vs. PWS FSC 556
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Everyone should keep in mind too that the effects of one comp./brake may very well change from ammo to ammo and barrel length/gas combination...so while what worked best for Carbineone's test with his PMC ammo and 11.5" AR may yield entirely different results in another gun or with different ammo.
Exactly.
And knowing when you are testing you personal favorite muzzle device...
I can make the FC556 jump like a .308 with no brake and film it
The mechanics of the brake is to redirect propellant gases so I would think the best design works best regardless.
For some reason I saw a whole lot of Dlask or PWS brakes at the Borden CQB this past November regardless of barrel length/ammo.
CarbineOne
Regular
Exactly.
And knowing when you are testing you personal favorite muzzle device...
I can make the FC556 jump like a .308 with no brake and film it
You accuse me of having no evidence, I produce it. Might I ask, what is your evidence? Have you even shot any of the brakes I have tested other than the 5M1? You disregard this test because it doesn't produce the results YOU like?
It is not my favorite muzzle device. My favorite muzzle devices are suppressors, usually NT4 compatible ones. It is merely the one muzzle brake/compensator that I found has worked best so far. I am always searching for better.
What do you want me to test it on next? An XCR? 20" AR? a 14.5" AR? A 5.56mm AK? (EDIT: the muzzle isn't threaded, no dice here) M14? An FAL? I'm fairly confident you'll see similar results. I can change ammo types as well. I can have someone else do the shooting. I can bench it. I ran that test the way I did because that's how I will really find the effectiveness of the device; standing, firing repeated shots. Frankly, it doesn't matter what I do, because unless the winner is your favorite device, it's a worthless exercise. I can't just indulge your ignorance.
While the effectiveness and results of a muzzle brake will change based on ammo and barrel length, I have yet to put a device on one gun that was worse/better than on another gun.
My testing was all originally done on longer guns (I have tried a LOT of hiders and brakes, believe me). I found out what worked on them, and what didn't. The test with the 11.5" didn't change much, other than making muzzle flash much more pronounced, and really taxing the flash hiding capabilities of any given device. Having a light and short barreled gun accentuates the muzzle rise and the flash. Which is the best testing ground for what I was intending on accomplishing.
The YHM is the best bang for the buck. Your one video (arguably tainted) does not negate the other 5 that show how the YHM product is superior
CarbineOne
Regular
I never disagreed. Let me quote myself:
CarbineOne said:
If your budget is $30, nothing I have ever used beats the YHM. I am not looking for the most cost efficient muzzle brake, I am looking for the best muzzle brake (Hence my eventual acquisition of a KAC Triple Tap, SureFire 556, etc.).
You are trying too hard to find the answer you are believe you already know.
I can show you dozens of videos on the FSC556, full auto even. You'll find one reason or another to disregard them all, of course.
Furthermore, I have no reason to lie to anyone. I do not work for Dlask. I don't work for YHM. I don't work for S.E.I., PWS, KAC, SF, Noveske, or any mfg. of muzzle devices. I didn't make any money off of this "tainted" video. I spent my own time, my own rounds, on my own computer with my own software, just to produce this test. Lying gains me absolutely nothing. I wanted to show people what I thought of the many muzzle brakes and hiders (I didn't include every hider I owned) I have in my possession. If you disagree with the results, fine. My firearm disagrees with your presumptions. I don't even know why I'm arguing with you when you can't even tell me you've shot the Phantom? You're basing your entire experience with this product on a bunch of guys who can't even get the name of the brake right?!
Its not quite that simple.
As was indicated in his testing, some of them were pulling the barrel down.
This is the inverse of what one wants out of their compensator and/or brake (which is as minimal movement off target as possible.).
You can tune ammo to get the desired results with each device/rifle combination - but most likely the best bet is with handloading.
I haven't monkeyed around with the tuning aspect, as all of my loading is geared toward SR - and my accuracy is the primary factor.
If I was inclined to shoot 3 gun or CQB, I'd play with velocities and powder burn rates to get the optimum out of the comp. - this is no different than IPSC open guys with the compensators on their handguns - It's just that with handguns it is (I believe from firing a few open blasters) far more noticable what loads do to the tuning.
I'm sure they are working quite well. I have three PWS brakes and like them for what they provide, but by no means are they perfect.For some reason I saw a whole lot of Dlask or PWS brakes at the Borden CQB this past November regardless of barrel length/ammo.
The one on the Colt 20" HB performs pretty consistantly - I attribute this to the rifle, and not specific to the particular brake.
The one on my 14.5" carbine however performs differently not only with different batches of ammo, but from round to round with ammo of the same batch. I attribute this (I'm guessing) to slight variations in the ammunition, some of it working with the optimal amount of gas (in effect, velocity) with some rounds but not others. There is undoubtedly better stuff out there for a particular application, and I'm guessing very few that run them have dived into tuning or indexing them to their particular gun or shooter's style.
food for thought.
I don't think you will find any.
All these other brakes and comps perform better for 50% less cost.
No one wants it.
CarbineOne
Regular
I'd ask Joe at Dlask to see when he is doing another run of the brakes.
The one without the prongs has the same braking and compensation capabilities, but loses out on the flash hiding (which isn't an issue with 16+bbl guns in daylight). It's a copy of the TTO (Tim's Tiny One) also from Primary Weapons Systems, in response to competition users asking for the brake without the flash reducing tines to reduce OAL of the device.
The one without the prongs has the same braking and compensation capabilities, but loses out on the flash hiding (which isn't an issue with 16+bbl guns in daylight). It's a copy of the TTO (Tim's Tiny One) also from Primary Weapons Systems, in response to competition users asking for the brake without the flash reducing tines to reduce OAL of the device.
