I loved my XCR until now! why did this have to happen!

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50calshooter said:
So range time, indoor and outdoor is errelevent? You shouldn't pass so much judgement on people you've never met. ;)
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You seem to think being able to actually use your gun is irrelevant, ie. hunting, so yes I do for the most part.

I'm also just curious as to what I've misjudged, and would like to learn so please tell me. You're CF, or an engineer / manufacturer? Would love to hear, as it can only improve the picture your commentary paints. What experience are we missing in your background?
 
fuzzynuts54 said:
Big shooter, you must have overlooked the part where I make the exception
of the charge and bolt release. The Ar is the only rifle
to locate the charge handle in such a rediculas
placment. I get in and out vehicles, on and off
of atv's, sometimes with thick gloves. I tend not to release the bolt until in on target and I know I'm going to make a shot as it gets tiring constantly ejecting an unfired round IMO my hand and reloading it into the mag. I find it so nice to be fully in firing position, releasing the bolt with my trigger finger. When carrying on foot I tend to leave the chamber empty, I like being able to rack the bolt without removing my hand from the grip. These are big deals to me.
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No i thought we covered this.

When you go to the range how many times do you operate your CH?

When I go, I only operate it once, then I lock the bolt back, insert a mag, slam the bolt forward and go. When a mag empties, the bolt locks back and I repeat this process untill I go home. Seems simple to me. I don't really notice much of a dis-advantage.

I can't speak much about using the rifle in combat, but I would assume they keep the rifle in battery any time they are in the field. So again it seems like a moot point.

The only time the CH would actually come into play would be if there is a stopage. Again, racking and clearing the rifle can be done in seconds. So I really do fail to see your point of veiw on the CH.

As for the bolt release, I use a BAD lever. I operate the bolt release with my trigger finger in the ready position aswell. So thats a moot point.
 
Ardent said:
You seem to think being able to actually use your gun is irrelevant, ie. hunting, so yes I do for the most part.

I'm also just curious as to what I've misjudged, and would like to learn so please tell me. You're CF, or an engineer / manufacturer? Would love to hear, as it can only improve the picture your commentary paints. What experience are we missing in your background?
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When did I say using the gun for hunting was irrelevant??? WTF are you smoking?

You misjudged me by assuming I live in my parents basement and I clear said basement with my rifle and never actually use it at the range. If this wasn't directed at me then I appologize.
 
fuzzynuts54 said:
Big shooter, you must have overlooked the part where I make the exception
of the charge and bolt release. The Ar is the only rifle
to locate the charge handle in such a rediculas
placment. I get in and out vehicles, on and off
of atv's, sometimes with thick gloves. I tend not to release the bolt until in on target and I know I'm going to make a shot as it gets tiring constantly ejecting an unfired round IMO my hand and reloading it into the mag. I find it so nice to be fully in firing position, releasing the bolt with my trigger finger. When carrying on foot I tend to leave the chamber empty, I like being able to rack the bolt without removing my hand from the grip. These are big deals to me.
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So you ride around with a loaded rifle?
 
parkervh said:
HEY CAMPY; nice avatar, obviously that hill was undefended, or there was so many xcr parts laying around up there you made a new one;

did you ever, for a second, consider that mom jokes aren't actually directed at your mom?
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Here is the story of the pic I had just chased with my 3 year 2 month old son the largest 7' reddish/cinnamon black bear basically a trophy of my lifetime over that ridge unfortunately the closest I could get to it was 437 yards.

I also had my 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM loaded with 260gr Accubonds @ 3020fps on the quad with me, I have the second Boone & Crockett reticle down on the Leupold VX3 4.5-14X40mm scope I have on the rifle zeroed @ 460 yards I consistently group 3 shots into less than 4" at that distance I could have just dropped the bear from where we were but decided to try and get it with my XCR-L in 6.8 SPC loaded with 95gr TTSX @ 2825fps.

I just needed to get within 300 yards but the bear wouldn't let me get that close then I had to deal with my little guy that was now crying so I put the rifle down and snapped a pic of it...

I'm curious do you have anymore ignor*nt questions or comments that you would like to make I have no problems responding to them...

Actually its kind of fun...

:p
 
I never pull my charge handle on my xcr at the range because I have never once taken it to a range. It hangs on my back rain, sun, mud and snow while I wonder around the bush or gets strapped to the rack on the quad.

Gunnerlove, I guess you misunderstood my entire post so I will color it on the wall with crayons. I get out of vehicle, insert mag, go for walk, if a shot presents itself I depress bolt release which in turn chambers a round. If no shot presents itself I do not depress bolt release and silmply remove magazine and re-enter vehicle.
 
fuzzynuts54 said:
I never pull my charge handle on my xcr at the range because I have never once taken it to a range. It hangs on my back rain, sun, mud and snow while I wonder around the bush or gets strapped to the rack on the quad.

Gunnerlove, I guess you misunderstood my entire post so I will color it on the wall with crayons. I get out of vehicle, insert mag, go for walk, if a shot presents itself I depress bolt release which in turn chambers a round. If no shot presents itself I do not depress bolt release and silmply remove magazine and re-enter vehicle.
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Oh my mistake, I actually practice with my rifle I go to the range and put rounds down the pipe. Your arguments are weak at best.
 
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Practice... Practice what? Lol. Practice firing on non threatening
stationary targets? Oh my, well you've got me beat there. If paper ever learns how to stare me to death I know who to call to protect me. Will you be wearing camo or ninja turtle pajamas? I practice too, I practice on moving targets of unknown distances in unfamiliar terrain. I run great risk being attacked by a tallibuck. Oh hey, careful with the stapler.
 
I can picture this practice session. Your wearing a frog suit, fake rebreather, fogged
up goggles, chest rig with 16 oops I mean 15 mags cuz you dropped one when you elbow-dropped the imaginary man. Good thing you had the "knife if Rambo" to
finish him off. Oohh get low, incoming imaginary bullets. Whhhhissssshhhhssssss..... Watch out incoming mortars. Lol. Gimme a break Stallone....... Practice...lol....
 
50calshooter said:
The only thing the XCR has over the AR is a non-res status.
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That is precisely why I got rid of my 10.5" LMT MRP and got the XCR. I like to shoot when and where I want at whatever I want to shoot at. (Obviously not out of season, caliber specific or protected species but that goes without saying). If the AR was non restricted I would have kept it.
 
50calshooter said:
Oh trust me it's a problem, I wanna take my AR out in the bush sooo bad, you have no idea. For now though I make do with my Rem 700 soon to be TAC21.. :D

I dont hate on you cuz you own an XCR, the more guns the merrier! I hate when I here guys say the AR is inferior to the XCR. It's an insult, nothing more. The XCR as a decent hunter/sporter is great and all though over priced it still serves a purpose.
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well that about says it, XCR is not even close to the rifle the AR is however it is non restricted and serves a purpose (an over priced one)
 
50calshooter said:
When did I say using the gun for hunting was irrelevant??? WTF are you smoking?

You misjudged me by assuming I live in my parents basement and I clear said basement with my rifle and never actually use it at the range. If this wasn't directed at me then I appologize.
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50calshooter said:
The only thing the XCR has over the AR is a non-res status. This means precisely ####.
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I said you never actually use an AR anywhere but a range. Fortunately for you, the AR's field proven as you're not going to experience much at the local range. No Canadian is. That's where the XCR comes in, we can actually use it for more than play, and it quick changes from Varmint to deer calibers in the blink of an eye. I don't even own an XCR, never have! But I sure can appreciate a good rifle, and the XCR offers us Canadians the world in a black rifle. None of us are fending off ambushes in Canada, we're either trying to dress guns up to look cool and punch still paper, or we're hunting and packing through the greatest nation of wilderness on earth. One of the rifles in this argument only does one of these things, the other does both.

It's a free country, buy what you prefer. Just stop trying to tell other people how much better your choice is.
 
and it quick changes from Varmint to deer calibers in the blink of an eye
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Especially when you have 2 complete uppers mine are in 223 & 6.8 SPC takes about 1 minute to swap them only because I also have to change out the bolt/carrier... :D

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fuzzynuts54 said:
I can picture this practice session. Your wearing a frog suit, fake rebreather, fogged
up goggles, chest rig with 16 oops I mean 15 mags cuz you dropped one when you elbow-dropped the imaginary man. Good thing you had the "knife if Rambo" to
finish him off. Oohh get low, incoming imaginary bullets. Whhhhissssshhhhssssss..... Watch out incoming mortars. Lol. Gimme a break Stallone....... Practice...lol....
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You've got me figured eh? Any douche can own guns, I like to know how to use them, and use them well, so yeah I practice dips**t...

It's a hobby remember? It's actually quite satisfying to learn how to operate a rifle accurately and efficiently. Accuracy is important to me. I strive to get better, both with rifle and pistol. Sometimes we run time drills at the range with rifle and pistol, it's actually quite fun. I dont own chest rigs or any gear, I bring my rifle a sling and lots of ammo. In the future I'd like to take some carbine courses, a few of my buddies have and they say it's a blast. So yeah, I practice, whats the problem?

You can stop spewing your childish bulls**t now, you've proven throughout this thread how knowledgeable you really are on the subject. It's easy to act tough over the internet isn't it...
 
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Ardent said:
You said:



I said you never actually use an AR anywhere but a range. Fortunately for you, the AR's field proven as you're not going to experience much at the local range. No Canadian is. That's where the XCR comes in, we can actually use it for more than play, and it quick changes from Varmint to deer calibers in the blink of an eye. I don't even own an XCR, never have! But I sure can appreciate a good rifle, and the XCR offers us Canadians the world in a black rifle. None of us are fending off ambushes in Canada, we're either trying to dress guns up to look cool and punch still paper, or we're hunting and packing through the greatest nation of wilderness on earth. One of the rifles in this argument only does one of these things, the other does both.

It's a free country, buy what you prefer. Just stop trying to tell other people how much better your choice is.
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You are a gem.

First - I'm not telling anyone how much better MY choice is. Im telling the two XCR funboys here to stop claiming the XCR a superior rifle to the AR. Stop putting words into my mouth.

Second - The non-res status means #### because the satus alone doesn't make it a better rifle. (re: quality and reliability)

Stop spinning my words and taking s**t out of context.
 
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When all non-restricted black rifles are reclassified as restricted and relegated to approved ranges requiring an ATT, will they still be remembered as fondly? Because the non-restricted status is essentially the only selling point for the XCR right now. And if it were not for this crucial difference with an AR, I wonder how well the XCR would still be embraced - and if some of the inherent issues and design flaws would be still be as easily or casually dismissed.

Riddle me this: if the XCR is such a superior platform, why is the AR (in all of its various incarnations) still so immensely and overwhelmingly popular in the US? And if the XCR is so "combat proven", why has it yet to be fielded by any military force or widely implemented with any LE? Maybe there's actually something to this as opposed to simple bias.

The XCR is a great sporter, and the fact that it's non-restricted and available in 6.8SPC makes it applicable for hunting (something the Tavor, FS2000 and MR1 generally are not; at least until someone comes out with a 6.8SPC upgrade, anyway). In fact, I would also suspect that the XCR will outshoot any of the aforementioned rifles as well. But to place the non-restricted XCR in the same category as a restricted AR isn't a fair comparison by any means.
 
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