600 yard moa guarantee ???

CZ’s are awesome! I’m sure if you do not get MOA at 600 yds with this model then laying off the coffee or sugar is in order ;)
 
you will notice the one little line in there. go by the strict quality control adhered to by the industry. so likely if your not buying the $120 a box of 20 ammo, your not gonna get that moa at 600 yards.
 
Aries- said:
you will notice the one little line in there. go by the strict quality control adhered to by the industry. so likely if your not buying the $120 a box of 20 ammo, your not gonna get that moa at 600 yards.
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.....or handloading, like most people looking for MOA at 600 yds would naturally do. In fairness, a guarantee like that needs some assurance that it's not being fed crap for ammo, the scope's loose, the winds were at 80 knots in a heavy rain, etc.
 
Robertson Composites makes F class rifles that do consitantly under 1moa at 600y in good shooting conditions, and have seen a 223 rem and 6.5 by 47 Lapua do under 1moa at 1000y 10 shots, both have shot under .250" at 100 the 223 was just under .200" all 5 shot groups. but ammo was handloaded, not possible with 99% of manufactured ammo
They are also building extreemly light hunting rifles, that Iam sure will be 1/2min moa with custom actions and custom barrels & light Robertson stocks.
manitou
 
The statement reads," and includes a minute of angle accuracy guarantee to 600 yards By maintaining quality control standards unheard of in the industry, the Ultimate Hunting Rifle delivers a level of accuracy formerly only available from high-end custom rifle smiths." It does not specify 1 moa, it has a minute of angle guarantee.
 
With the right ammo, proper bedding, quality optics, and shooter under decent conditions, I think you would be hard pressed to find a modern factory rifle that wouldn't offer you MOA performance at 600yds.

I just sold a Savage VLP in 223 - factory everything except for the bedding. With handloads and shooter working well, this rifle will hold the V bull ICFRA target at 500m.

That is a 0.4MOA circle. The 5 Ring is just under MOA.

There was a time that MOA factory rifle guarantees was a huge deal.

Today, that is just average.

By the way, the last CZ 'premium' rifle I saw was in dire need of proper bedding. Fancy on the outside, basic base model inletting.

Jerry
 
I misunderstood the guarantee.

I thought 1 MOA at 600 Yards ment 1" at 600 yards. I figured that something must be up or I misunderstood. Now I know.

Basically what they are saying then is a one inch guarantee at 100 yards. The 600 yard thing is just an advertising gimmick then to make it sound better?
 
MillerTime said:
I misunderstood the guarantee.

I thought 1 MOA at 600 Yards ment 1" at 600 yards. I figured that something must be up or I misunderstood. Now I know.

Basically what they are saying then is a one inch guarantee at 100 yards. The 600 yard thing is just an advertising gimmick then to make it sound better?
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Like I said before, a MOA guarantee to 600 yards means that at 600 yards you can expect no greater than a 6" group (provided you are doing everything right on your end and have ideal conditions.)

One MOA means that at 100 yards it will group no greater than an inch under ideal conditions. For every 100 yard increase in range the corresponding group will open up by no more than one inch. ie. 2" at 200 yards, 3" at 300 yards, etc.

A 6" group at 600 yards is still 1 MOA. If the rifle was only capable of producing 2 MOA accuracy, then the corresponding group at 600 yards would be no greater than 12".

Here's some reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc
 
The thing you have to watch with these guarantees is that many times they live up to the guarantee by providing a cherry picked three shot group. I believe that is how Cooper and Weatherby works. By that method my factory
Savage can do 0.1 MOA. Not sure how Tikka defines their guarantee...
 
CZ never mentions how its 1 MOA accuracy at 600yrds is defined. It can be Extreme Spread, Figure of Merit, Mean Radius and so on.... There are many ways to measure precision & accuracy. A statement like that is nothing if there is no informatio about the method used to determine it.
 
With the right ammo, proper bedding, quality optics, and shooter under decent conditions, I think you would be hard pressed to find a modern factory rifle that wouldn't offer you MOA performance at 600yds
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Amen Jerry!


1MOA is nothing. It is about 6 1/2 inches at 100 yards. Anyone can chuck 5 rounds down range in 15 seconds and claim a 1MOA guarantee. I submit to you that you are now well into the realm of requiring ammo that has been loaded with enough consistency. It also takes a shooter that knows what they are doing.
 
Ron AKA said:
The thing you have to watch with these guarantees is that many times they live up to the guarantee by providing a cherry picked three shot group. I believe that is how Cooper and Weatherby works. By that method my factory
Savage can do 0.1 MOA. Not sure how Tikka defines their guarantee...
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You are wrong. Coopers are guaranteed to shoot 1/2" 3 shot groups at 100 yards with hand loads.
 
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