Bullets and loads we wish were still available.
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Sure they are, I guess things got grey between the nostalgia and performance.
Wishing something was available is one thing.
Thinking that what was available will outperform what is available today, well ...........
But hey, I thought I was old because I have some of that IVI 22 ammo in those clear plastic boxes that you had to shake like hell to get the last ones out.
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You might find these posts "tiresome", but some of these fellows have more experience than you and I will ever have. They offer a nice variety to our knowledge base here which gives us a useful perspective to where we are now in the hunting /shooting we do. One fellow here in particular has guided hunters from all over the world in a place most of us can only dream of hunting in. I pay attention to his opinions and value them as much as other posts that reference more modern topics.
This wealth of information deserves (and gets) my attention and respect.
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X3. There is no question, firearm technology and in particular bullet technology has forged ahead considerably since the heyday of people like EK and JOC. Their experiences, their contributions and what they accomplished with what was available in their day is hard to compare with what we have now.
In his books, EK made mention of individuals like Barnes when Barnes was starting out and had high praise for the products Barnes was offering then. I had the pleasure of meeting Elmer and I have little doubt that he and JOC would both definately be impressed and somewhat swayed by todays advancements.
The same holds true, to my way of thinking, of some of our friends on site. Two that come to mind are Bruce Lamb and Ted Wagner. I've had the pleasure of two meetings with Ted and hope to meet Bruce at the next Kamloops gun show. They may not have the same shooting and hunting fraternity exposure and recognition as EK and JOC, however, the accomplishments and experiences of many of us here pale by comparison.
Seems to me I just said that. Thanks for repeating it though, Alzheimer's setting in SC?
I have a nothing but a healthy respect for the "Glory days of hunting and shooting". But when one mans posts do nothing but revolve around those years over and over again it gets a bit tiresome.
I'm not sure if you know this or not but you are NOT obligated to read the threads that do not appeal to you. I personally enjoy reading about the old days. I lived thru some of it and remember it well ,the older stuff is interresting cause it's new to me.
just saying...
When I started on these threads several years ago I soon discovered there were many very fine people on here. This encouraged me to stay on and participate. However, from the start there was one member who lost no opportunity to pick apart and criticize something I had written. I basically ignored him, because he was young and knew nothing of many of the things I wrote about. Six years later he is still at it.
No, Jack O’Connor couldn’t walk on water. But the former university professor was widely considered to be the dean of shooting editors of all of the many shooting editors that once graced the book shelves in at least six monthly, glossy international magazines. Outdoor Life, the magazine Jack was long time shooting editor of, topped all the others in popularity, turning out, I think it was, over three million copies a month. Hunters of the day wanting to get their stories published in the prestigious magazine were so numerous, that Outdoor Life magazine received on the average, five hundred unsolicited manuscripts a month! I am not guessing on the figure of 500. It came straight from the western field editor of Outdoor Life, as told to a friend of mine who had a series of stories published.
Jack O’Connor shot world class trophy game animals on almost every, if not every, continent on the planet. Combining his life long hunting and shooting, I doubt if there was any other person who had as much experience as did Jack. If we can’t quote him as being an expert on the subjects of firearms, bullets and hunting, who could we quote?
A period of about fifteen years following WW2, was like none other in history, with regards to shooting and hunting. Millions of sevice men had returned to civilian life and a great many of them wanted to, and did, get into competitive shooting and hunting.
Hunting was an adventure. In BC, the only roads north of the Prnce George to Prince Rupert line, were the roads in the farm belt Peace River area, not accessible by road from the southern part of BC, and the twisting, dusty, Alaska Highway across the north. The Alaska Highway was accessible only by going through Alberta.
Ranchers in the Peace River area of BC quickly got into the lucrative business of guiding well heeled hunters into the virtually unknown mountain ranges, using great strings of pack and saddle horses. Feature stories would appear in international magazines about a month long safari into such soon to become famous game areas as the head of the Prophet and Muskwa Rivers, and virtually every local hunter would dream of getting into such territory. Hunting was the in thing to do. Wealthy people didn’t holiday in Bali to keep up with the elite, they went on long, guided hunting trips. Even singer Bing Crosby went on a month long hunting safari in northern Alberta. Jackie Kennedy, one time first lady of the US, as a girl spent summers with her family in the southern Alberta Rockies, while her dad, Martin Bovey, shot the world record bighorn sheep.
Young people have no idea of this great period of hunting and shooting, and thus know nothing about it. People familiar with it have no trouble in referring to it as, “The glory years of hunting and shooting.”
No, Jack O’Connor couldn’t walk on water. But the former university professor was widely considered to be the dean of shooting editors of all of the many shooting editors that once graced the book shelves in at least six monthly, glossy international magazines. Outdoor Life, the magazine Jack was long time shooting editor of, topped all the others in popularity, turning out, I think it was, over three million copies a month. Hunters of the day wanting to get their stories published in the prestigious magazine were so numerous, that Outdoor Life magazine received on the average, five hundred unsolicited manuscripts a month! I am not guessing on the figure of 500. It came straight from the western field editor of Outdoor Life, as told to a friend of mine who had a series of stories published.
Jack O’Connor shot world class trophy game animals on almost every, if not every, continent on the planet. Combining his life long hunting and shooting, I doubt if there was any other person who had as much experience as did Jack. If we can’t quote him as being an expert on the subjects of firearms, bullets and hunting, who could we quote?
A period of about fifteen years following WW2, was like none other in history, with regards to shooting and hunting. Millions of sevice men had returned to civilian life and a great many of them wanted to, and did, get into competitive shooting and hunting.
Hunting was an adventure. In BC, the only roads north of the Prnce George to Prince Rupert line, were the roads in the farm belt Peace River area, not accessible by road from the southern part of BC, and the twisting, dusty, Alaska Highway across the north. The Alaska Highway was accessible only by going through Alberta.
Ranchers in the Peace River area of BC quickly got into the lucrative business of guiding well heeled hunters into the virtually unknown mountain ranges, using great strings of pack and saddle horses. Feature stories would appear in international magazines about a month long safari into such soon to become famous game areas as the head of the Prophet and Muskwa Rivers, and virtually every local hunter would dream of getting into such territory. Hunting was the in thing to do. Wealthy people didn’t holiday in Bali to keep up with the elite, they went on long, guided hunting trips. Even singer Bing Crosby went on a month long hunting safari in northern Alberta. Jackie Kennedy, one time first lady of the US, as a girl spent summers with her family in the southern Alberta Rockies, while her dad, Martin Bovey, shot the world record bighorn sheep.
Young people have no idea of this great period of hunting and shooting, and thus know nothing about it. People familiar with it have no trouble in referring to it as, “The glory years of hunting and shooting.”
Sounds like it was the glory days if you were wealthy, or you just liked reading about the hunting adventures in Outdoor Life. Much of the back country was inaccessible without a guide and a team of horses and wranglers
Nowdays any average BC Joe Hunter can drive north, hire a packstring or hire an air charter and head into the northern BC mountians for as long as they like. You dont' need to be wealthy. Regular BC hunters are going further into the bush on their own then they ever could have in the past. I think right now is a pretty good time if you are a regular BC hunter.
PS Jackie Kennedys father was John Bouvier, not Martin Bovey.
Sounds like it was the glory days if you were wealthy, or you just liked reading about the hunting adventures in Outdoor Life. Much of the back country was inaccessible without a guide and a team of horses and wranglers
Nowdays any average BC Joe Hunter can drive north, hire a packstring or hire an air charter and head into the northern BC mountians for as long as they like. You dont' need to be wealthy. Regular BC hunters are going further into the bush on their own then they ever could have in the past. I think right now is a pretty good time if you are a regular BC hunter.
PS Jackie Kennedys father was John Bouvier, not Martin Bovey.
Well, let's compare resident hunting, then and now.
Then. The province was divided into two areas for game management, east and west. The dividing line was the coast range mountains, thus the eastern was by far the largest. An open season in the eastern district meant it included every part of the entire eastern division. A big game licence cost $7 and the only specie requiring a tag was deer. A deer tag cost twenty-five cents.
For your $7 licence you were permitted to shoot the folowing: 1 moose, 1 elk, 1 caribou, any bull of any of the species mentioned. 2 mountain goats each over one year, 1 male sheep over one year of age, 1 grizzly bear over one year of age, plus all the black bears and cougars you wanted to shoot.
The season for a bull moose started September 1 and ended December 15. Other big game was a bit shorter, but extremely generous.
There was no law prohibiting the bating of grizzly.
There was no law stating you had to bring the meat of ANY GAME ANIMAL out of the bush. Thus, you could go on long trips for trophy type animals and only have to bring out the antlers. The choice was up to you,
The cost of flying to a remote spot would be comparable with today, considering earnings of people. As a comparison, the cost today to completely recondition a Beaver aircraft is a million plus, dollars. In 1948 a new Beaver on floats, wheels and skis was $48,000.
From the highway there were various areas of good goat hunting in the Burns Lake, Smithers, Terrace areas.
Actually, I forgot to mention the narrow road that ran from Fort St. James to Manson Creek and Germansen Lake. Excellent caribou country, and fair goat hunting could be accessed in the Germansen area.
The train east of Prince George would drop you off at fabulous grizzly or goat country.
Moose were everywhere, just pick when in the 3 1/2 month period you wanted to go after one.
Now, to present day hunting. What is this I read about trying year after year for a draw to go after an animal?
I was right that Jackie Kennedy lived in the mountains with her family while her dad shot the record sheep. I looked at my old B&C book to get the name of the hunter, but realised after that I was looking at an old book, prior to Bouvier shooting the sheep.
You sort of missed my meaning about celebraties hunting. I was pointing out that hunting at that time was very fashionable, and not a dirty word, like it is today, in a large segment of the population. There were no anti hunters, or organized groups against us.
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I've been looking for some factory loaded 375 Ruger. I want to put a case away to show my grandchildren in 20 years like we're doing now. They will be plenty collectable and long extinct by then.
Ya startled me Johnn.........
I remember when dad gave me that old trapper's gift to him to me. A 1892 44-40 made in 1910. That box of ammo shown on the left is like the one dad bought me for the old lever. Talk about a flash to the past. Great lesson in history and the old ammo pictures. I do appreciate these I dare say photos of vintage ammo and firearms?
Keep up the stories of old. Some of us do appreciate them.
Seems some like to crash and burn a fun party............
Found a few more quick ones Bruce. Here's the two boxes Winchester 200gr Silvertip bullets for my 348 WCF.
Some old 12ga. ammo.
And a couple of boxes of Dominion/C.I.L. 44-40 ammo for my old 1894 Marlin. And the single cartridge is an old factory 44-40 shotshell cartridge. This one is from way back in the pre-metric era
I remember when dad gave me that old trapper's gift to him to me. A 1892 44-40 made in 1910. That box of ammo shown on the left is like the one dad bought me for the old lever. Talk about a flash to the past. Great lesson in history and the old ammo pictures. I do appreciate these I dare say photos of vintage ammo and firearms?
Keep up the stories of old. Some of us do appreciate them.
Seems some like to crash and burn a fun party............
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H4831, I wont bother responding to the rest of your post as it is pretty much a copy and paste of all your other posts. But, I will respond to this total nonsense:
In the whole time you have been here at CGN I have only ever responded directly to one or two of your posts, maybe(a very strong maybe) three times. So seriously I don't know where you came up with the other nonsense, its total BS.
Knock off the drama...
In the whole time you have been here at CGN I have only ever responded directly to one or two of your posts, maybe(a very strong maybe) three times. So seriously I don't know where you came up with the other nonsense, its total BS.
Knock off the drama...
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The point about celebrities hunting and hunting being quite acceptable in those days is a good point.
Not sure about the rest. Generous bag limits and no meat retention laws certainly worked in favor of anti hunting groups who decried the practice of "trophy hunting for ahead and wasting the meat"
Most of the general public is fine with hunting as long as meat is retained.
I also wonder if the generous bag limits of the past have contributed to tighter seasons in this day and age? Although to be honest, BC is open for some type of hunting every month except July, and one only needs to get a LEH draw if he wants to hunt bison or grizzly, as there is a General Open Season for every other type of BC species.
And I think the BC backcountry is indeed more accessible to the average BC resident hunter these days. Logging roads, ATV's, jetboats have all been added to the mix and now with satellite communications it's safer than ever for 2 guys to get dropped at a lake and disappear for 2 weeks into the mountains.
Tags and License fees are supposed to help pay for conservation efforts. I have no problem buying them.
I really wonder if the regulations of the past, coupled with little direct financial contributions to wildlife is a good thing or a bad thing?
Available in almost all the gun stores in BC, so you could try one of them.
Imperial 22LR in that perfect plastic dispensing case! Nice pic of them by Gatehouse. I miss those more than anything else I ever used. 1. Hold the plastic box firmly on the sides, box door up. 2. Slam the lid hard and away from you with the palm of the other hand. 3. Paper label is now ripped perfect and lid open. 4. Choose how many 5 round slots you need to empty into your palm to fill your mag. COOL FACTOR 10+
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If you come across any more loaded ammo like that, especially the 250gr variety, PM me the details. If the deal is 'favorable' I may ask you to pick them up for me and I'll square up with you at the Kamloops show or possibly even the Salmon Arm show. I'm also still in the search for just the bullets themselves and at present I'm awaiting a reply from Winchester concerning the availability of those bullets.
Well said.
