Nope.
But they need to be properly pinned/restricted... check near the bottom of the link (PART 4. [4 & 5]):
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-462/page-2.html
Notice to S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle Owners
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Nope.
But they need to be properly pinned/restricted... check near the bottom of the link (PART 4. [4 & 5]):
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-462/page-2.html
capncrunch
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OK thanks a bunch. For everyone else, here's the excerpt from the Criminal Code. Section 5c would apply to the M&P mags:
(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
btw this is the culprit pistol
hmmm...looks like fun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A police force with legislative powers.
With the pit bull terrier Canadian shooting organizations, the gun owner supporting cpc and that fearless old war horse vic toews in their corner the affected gun owners should be ok.
Getting the $ back from S+W might be the best and only option.
I'm betting S+W will probably respond, "Why are you making this sound like our problem? Sorry you're sol."
With the pit bull terrier Canadian shooting organizations, the gun owner supporting cpc and that fearless old war horse vic toews in their corner the affected gun owners should be ok.
Getting the $ back from S+W might be the best and only option.
I'm betting S+W will probably respond, "Why are you making this sound like our problem? Sorry you're sol."
Don't hold your breath.
Your second statement is the more likely. Smith will not accept responsibility for a questionable interpretation of an absurd Canadian regulation.
The best option is for every S&W 15-22 owner to write to Vic Toews demanding compensation for their (now illegal) magazines. There is a good case for this since the reclassification was done retroactively.
There's no way to actually make the government act fairly, but I for one will certainly not be making any more contributions to Vic & Co. if they proceed to effectively steal my property and not pay for it.
Don't blame them. It's not S+Ws fault Canadians are allowing themselves to be governed by idiots.
Toews, that spineless old lmp dck of a closet anti. If that's your final recourse you'd better pack your guns up now.
The precedent has already been set with the t97s.
I don't think the rcmp would be foolhardy enough to be proceeding with these measures without the silent nod of Toews and the cpc government.
If this is what we can expect from our supposed political friends what's the rcmp going to be acting like when their buddies the liberals get back in?
Does the acronym kgb give you a clue?
The libs will give them invisible carte blanche oics as if the present conservative government hasn't already done so behind the scenes.
I'm not blaming Smith. That is what I said.
It's the only recourse. If you have any better ideas let us know.
The agreed to compensate t97 owners. That's the precedent that's relevant here. Reversing the reclassification would be a simple matter for the government but they unlikely to do so.
I doubt that Toews had any advance notice. The reclass was probably presented by staff at some low level committee, written up as an OIC and sent for his signature along with dozens of other things. Writing to him may not do much good (though I think there's a fair chance for financial compensation), but it's more useful than whining here.
Probably worse, although if they were in a minority situation they might prefer not to stir the pot by enacting even more draconian gun laws.
USRanger85
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Pinned 15/22 mag
I was not aware of the 25rd magazine being prohibited until the other night. 10rd mags just make you practice your mag changes more.
Here's what I did. I drilled a hole through the back edge of the magazine and all the way through. The hole was drilled 4inches measured from the top of the follower. Ensure when you drill you do not interfere with the magazine spring. Drill bit size is about .113 inch, big enough for a close hanger.
I cut a piece of a metal close hanger. Inserted it through the hole and through to the exit hole. The ends were then covered with epoxy glue. Alowed to dry, I then sanded it down slightly(cosmetic reasons) and then painted it black.
The mag is pinned and can not be easily coverted back and it holds exaclty 10rds. Just what the CFO wants.
I did two mags and costs was minimal. 15min time to do both.
Hope this helps, I tried uploading a picture but it didn't work.
Steve
I was not aware of the 25rd magazine being prohibited until the other night. 10rd mags just make you practice your mag changes more.
Here's what I did. I drilled a hole through the back edge of the magazine and all the way through. The hole was drilled 4inches measured from the top of the follower. Ensure when you drill you do not interfere with the magazine spring. Drill bit size is about .113 inch, big enough for a close hanger.
I cut a piece of a metal close hanger. Inserted it through the hole and through to the exit hole. The ends were then covered with epoxy glue. Alowed to dry, I then sanded it down slightly(cosmetic reasons) and then painted it black.
The mag is pinned and can not be easily coverted back and it holds exaclty 10rds. Just what the CFO wants.
I did two mags and costs was minimal. 15min time to do both.
Hope this helps, I tried uploading a picture but it didn't work.
Steve
Guys stop basturdizing your mags till your provincial CFO sends you letter!!! why do anything till they tell you not a dealer on forum(thanks for heads up but most of us new this since last february) one jumps off bridge so does another 
Guys stop basturdizing your mags till your provincial CFO sends you letter!!! why do anything till they tell you not a dealer on forum(thanks for heads up but most of us new this since last february) one jumps off bridge so does another
You're pretty good if you "new this" 6 months BEFORE the RCMP themselves reviewed and issued their re-classification.
I'm impressed...
x2Mark
Guys stop basturdizing your mags till your provincial CFO sends you letter!!! why do anything till they tell you not a dealer on forum(thanks for heads up but most of us new this since last february) one jumps off bridge so does another
I Agree..
Guys stop basturdizing your mags till your provincial CFO sends you letter!!! why do anything till they tell you not a dealer on forum(thanks for heads up but most of us new this since last february) one jumps off bridge so does another
Unlikely that they will ever send owners a letter. I have a copy of a letter sent by the BC CFO to a gunshop dated 2010-02-08 confirming that the magazine was prohibited. I don't know whether the date is intended to be February 8, 2010 or August 2, 2010 but in either case if they were going to notify individual owners they probably would have done so by now.
Claiming that you didn't know the mag was reclassified would probably not help you if you were charged with illegal possession of a prohibited device. Such charges may be unlikely, but you never know and it is certainly a risk. They do, after all, know the owners of every 1522 in the country thanks to the restricted firearms registry.
At minimum, every 1522 owner should be writing to the Minister of Public Safety demanding compensation for goods that were purchased legally and in good faith, then prohibited. Every owner who does not write is part of the problem.
USRanger85
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Basturdizing?
I can very easily take the pin out if I want to and return it to a 25rd mag. Besides, Basturdizing should be spelled Bastardizing. You can jump off the bridge, I wouldn't follow. Just offering advice on how to pin a cheap 25rd magazine anyways. If I want to fire ammuntion in large amounts I'll do like Kevin B and fire a whole belt without stopping.
Guys stop basturdizing your mags till your provincial CFO sends you letter!!! why do anything till they tell you not a dealer on forum(thanks for heads up but most of us new this since last february) one jumps off bridge so does another
I can very easily take the pin out if I want to and return it to a 25rd mag. Besides, Basturdizing should be spelled Bastardizing. You can jump off the bridge, I wouldn't follow. Just offering advice on how to pin a cheap 25rd magazine anyways. If I want to fire ammuntion in large amounts I'll do like Kevin B and fire a whole belt without stopping.
Other than Mark from Questar, this is the most intelligent and logical post I have read on this topic.
We need less useless garbage such as the classic, '' Let them come and get my mags from my cold dead fingers"", or the defeatist crap like "They are slowing eliminating our gun rights " and need more practical and useful information
