American laws limiting selling of CARTRIDGE guns, including antiques?

H Wally

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I've heard this a couple times now, and am wondering if it's true.

Does the United States have a law governing the export of cartridge usingguns, including antiques? I heard from two different sellers that there is some manner of law that requires a yearly $2k fee to export any form of firearm that uses cartridges, and therefore limits those who can ship antiques north, and partially explains all the people who suddenly refuse to sell antiques up to Canada.

I've never heard more than that, but am curious.
 
antiques are NON GUNS in the USA same as here.
Tho there rules are very confuseing and alot of USA sellers dont read them right,, just like our transport and use regs up here. the govements try and make this stuff confuseing as they can.






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Yeah, well... apparently they also have restrictions on brass that can't be shipped up here to individuals... however, that still doesn't stop many suppliers down south from sending your order out! ;)

As for the laws, if the gun is an antique, it should be deemed as a "non-firearm" and therefore that particular law/regulation shouldn't apply to it. The problem is that many sellers are not very familiar with the laws in place and have enough of a steady and proven market in the good'ole US of A not to have to worry about shipping to Canada. In fact, we are such a small market for them that most won't even bother to check on actual laws or listen to your arguments.

Oh well...

:(
 
H Wally said:
I've emailed the american border services - they have a pretty good Q&A section. I'll post the question and answer when I get one.
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Well... if it was allowed before, now they might actually revise & change their policy. But I'm sure they'll thank you for making them aware of this serious (and overlooked) national security issue. Comrade Obama will be pleased as well.

:evil:

(joke)
 
steady and proven market in the good'ole US of A not to have to worry about shipping to Canada.
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When was the last time anyone here got outbid on an antique that they wanted by an American??? Do not underestimate how much of a boon we are to USA antique sellers. Check the auction listings 'seller ships international' is 100 times more common today then it was 3 years ago. Good customers (i.e with cash) are cherished in an economy like thiers. I am batting about 95 percent with sellers agreeing to ship north. Some take some convincing most are " yeah what ever but if the man grabs your gun it is not my fault"

Any 'hassles' are pretty much muted by an express envelope with a USD PMO.

As for the export. I agree that the non firearms are of no interest to the US regulators. That being said do a careful read of what qualifies as and what does not qualify as an antique in the USA. After you do the research keep mum.
 
tactical870 said:
Antiques and parts for antiques, reproductions or otherwise are not regulated for export. :D
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Reproductions... man, do i wish we could own these as "antiques" (which in essence they are). One thing that amazes me is that BP revolver, caplock rifle and flintlock pistol reproductions are considered as modern guns today still (but only in Canada). It doesn't apply to flintlock rifles though... and the reason being?

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Honestly, Harper's government should re-write that section of the FA and include all the BP repros as "criminally useless" non-firearms. After all, the last criminals carrying BP stuff vanished in the late 1800's, lol! Hell, everyone knows that most criminals have better hardware than government officials/law enforcement anyway! :p
 
Full definition of antique in the US is far looser than up here - Pre 1899 is the sum of it I believe.

Their Q&A deals with antique importing, muzzle loader exporting etc, but not specifically cartridge guns. My belief is that most sellers in the states don't know the law and are operating on a steady supply of BS and their own imaginations. Still, figured I should check :p
 
When I shoot in Washington, I can buy,posess and shoot any muzzleloader,post 1899 cartridge AFAIK you need an FFL to buy, maybe that's the catch ?
Have you checked the BATF site ?
Cheers nessy
 
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