shooting on my own property?

Canuck44 said:
Notr far enough.:D

17.​
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Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwellinghouse
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized​

by a chief firearms officer.

19. ​
​
​
​
(1) An individual who holds a licence
authorizing the individual to possess prohibited
firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized
to transport a particular prohibited firearm
or restricted firearm between two or more specified
places for any good and sufficient reason,
including, without restricting the generality of
the foregoing,
(a) for use in target practice, or a target
shooting competition, under specified conditions
or under the auspices of a shooting club
or shooting range that is approved under section
29;
(a.1) to provide instructions in the use of
firearms as part of a restricted firearms safety
course that is approved by the federal Minister;
or
(b) if the individual
(i) changes residence,
(ii) wishes to transport the firearm to a
peace officer, firearms officer or chief
firearms officer for registration or disposal
in accordance with this Act or Part III of
the Criminal Code,
(iii) wishes to transport the firearm for repair,​

storage, sale, exportation or

(iv) wishes to transport the firearm to a
gun show.​
Exception for
prohibited
firearms other
than prohibited
handguns​
(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), an individual
may not be authorized to transport a prohibited
firearm, other than a handgun referred
to in subsection 12(6.1), under that subsection,
except for the purposes referred to in paragraph​
(1)(b).

There you go.

Take Care

Bob


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Thanks for proving my point -

The section you quote refers to conditions to authorize TRANSPORT !

You are not TRANSPORTING by shooting out of the residence window into the target in the yard outside for practice , therefore this section does NOT apply. The restricted firearm is not leaving the residence.

There is no criminal charge that can be laid as wording for a criminal information does not exist.

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a real safe is on the list that's for sure but it won't be till I move. the current setup is tapconed into a block wall and I'll do the same for the floor next time I get everything out for cleaning :)
thanks for the advice guys
 
However !

chopper 1 said:
Thanks for proving my point -

The section you quote refers to conditions to authorize TRANSPORT !

You are not TRANSPORTING by shooting out of the residence window into the target in the yard outside for practice , therefore this section does NOT apply. The restricted firearm is not leaving the residence.

There is no criminal charge that can be laid as wording for a criminal information does not exist.

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HOWEVER !

Make sure only the barrel pokes out of the window - not the receiver -:p;)

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Grizzlypeg said:
I wouldn't argue that you can shoot it in your backyard. I would argue that no one has brought up a restriction against discharging it within your place of dwelling, as impractical as that may be. Maybe out in the country you could shoot down in your basement. Or even fire an AR-15 out your window at a target in a field.
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Course then Provincial regs kick in as you have to be clear by 50 meters if memory serves of a dwelling place in order to discharge a firearm. Which means they hit you with dangerous use of a firearm charge. :mad: Too many laws can't be certain of them all.

That really is the problem in my area to there are so many municipalities in my area that stretch their borders and have no markers it's impossible to be sure of where exactly the rules start and end.
 
chopper 1 said:
Thanks for proving my point -

The section you quote refers to conditions to authorize TRANSPORT !

You are not TRANSPORTING by shooting out of the residence window into the target in the yard outside for practice , therefore this section does NOT apply. The restricted firearm is not leaving the residence.

There is no criminal charge that can be laid as wording for a criminal information does not exist.

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The real problem is that the people who wrote the FA have never lived on a property where it was safe to discharge a firearm. I can remember going three full days off work and never seeing anyone but my kids and my wife. I woke up every morning and went for a walk didn't see a living soul or a piece of farm equipment. Saw a lot of deers, rabbits and yotes though.
 
chopper 1 said:
Thanks for proving my point -

The section you quote refers to conditions to authorize TRANSPORT !

You are not TRANSPORTING by shooting out of the residence window into the target in the yard outside for practice , therefore this section does NOT apply. The restricted firearm is not leaving the residence.

There is no criminal charge that can be laid as wording for a criminal information does not exist.

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Did you read Section 17?

"Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwellinghouse
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized....​

Like I said earlier if you think this doesn't apply to you, fly at it and see how you make out in court. Seems pretty clear to me and others here.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Notr far enough.:D

17.​
​
​
​
​
Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwellinghouse
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized​

by a chief firearms officer.

19. ​
​
​
​
(1) An individual who holds a licence
authorizing the individual to possess prohibited
firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized
to transport a particular prohibited firearm
or restricted firearm between two or more specified
places for any good and sufficient reason,
including, without restricting the generality of
the foregoing,
(a) for use in target practice, or a target
shooting competition, under specified conditions
or under the auspices of a shooting club
or shooting range that is approved under section
29;
(a.1) to provide instructions in the use of
firearms as part of a restricted firearms safety
course that is approved by the federal Minister;
or
(b) if the individual
(i) changes residence,
(ii) wishes to transport the firearm to a
peace officer, firearms officer or chief
firearms officer for registration or disposal
in accordance with this Act or Part III of
the Criminal Code,
(iii) wishes to transport the firearm for repair,​

storage, sale, exportation or

(iv) wishes to transport the firearm to a
gun show.​
Exception for
prohibited
firearms other
than prohibited
handguns​
(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), an individual
may not be authorized to transport a prohibited
firearm, other than a handgun referred
to in subsection 12(6.1), under that subsection,
except for the purposes referred to in paragraph​
(1)(b).

There you go.

Take Care

Bob


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Right but you just bolded the wrong parts, these regualtions are not restrictive

An individual who holds a licence
authorizing the individual to possess prohibited
firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized
to transport a particular prohibited firearm
or restricted firearm between two or more specified
places for any good and sufficient reason,
including, without restricting the generality of
the foregoing,
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then the following paragraphs are just examples of places that the CFO may issue you an ATT for.

There is nothing in the law that would prohibit hte CFO from issueing you an ATT to take your restricted firearms out shooting anywhere you can shoot your non restricted firearms as long as it was safe and legal to do so.

It is just that the CFOs have decided that they won't issue you an ATT.

I'll give you and example that is going on right now,

In Alberta it it legal for trappers to use a pistol to dispatch trapped animals. So the CFO should issue an ATT to trappers that would allow them to take their pistol out to their trap line or where they have traps set up. BUT they won't they have decided that they will issue a wilderness cary permit, but my understanding that that wilderness cary permits are only for protection, your not protecting yourself from the trapped animal, so a cary permit is not the proper mechanism for this use of restricted firearms. I suspect that the CFO is not going to issue ATTs becasue if they did then they would be admiting that they can issue ATTs for any "good and sufficient reason" as it is written in the Act.
 
woodchopper said:
Right but you just bolded the wrong parts, these regualtions are not restrictive



then the following paragraphs are just examples of places that the CFO may issue you an ATT for.

There is nothing in the law that would prohibit hte CFO from issueing you an ATT to take your restricted firearms out shooting anywhere you can shoot your non restricted firearms as long as it was safe and legal to do so.

It is just that the CFOs have decided that they won't issue you an ATT.

I'll give you and example that is going on right now,

In Alberta it it legal for trappers to use a pistol to dispatch trapped animals. So the CFO should issue an ATT to trappers that would allow them to take their pistol out to their trap line or where they have traps set up. BUT they won't they have decided that they will issue a wilderness cary permit, but my understanding that that wilderness cary permits are only for protection, your not protecting yourself from the trapped animal, so a cary permit is not the proper mechanism for this use of restricted firearms. I suspect that the CFO is not going to issue ATTs becasue if they did then they would be admiting that they can issue ATTs for any "good and sufficient reason" as it is written in the Act.
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Yup and if they do you are OK but they don't so you aren't. When I had my wilderness permit it was specific to an stated area here in BC. Had I wanted to expand the area I would have had to get another ATT. I haven't had any experience with the Trappers permit but I am sure, from discussions with the gal who issues them here in BC the permit would for a trapper would include his trap line licensed area. For legitimate purposes I find the CFO quite reasonable in any discussions I have had with them as far as issuing permits.

The law is what it is and until it changes we have to live with what we got. Frankly, I doubt much will change in this area of the act. The restrictions on the use of handguns has been around in law for a very long time. Aside from tweaking I doubt we will see any positive changes in this area of the act ever.

Take Care

Bob
 
The laws regarding the discharge of firearms within City limits and surrounding rural areas are unique to each city, but for the most part it is illegal to discharge any type of gun within city limits as per the city bylaws.
For example:
THE CITY OF WINNIPEG, in Council assembled, enacts as follows:
amended 8162/2002
1. Excepting with the permission of Chief of Police of The City of Winnipeg no person shall
discharge any gun, or other firearm, within the City of Winnipeg.
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woodchopper said:
Wrong



you can discharge your restricted firearms where ever it is legal to discharge a non-restricted firearm.

HOWEVER you need an ATT to take your restricted firearms out of your house (residence) and it must be locked up for transport to where your ATT stipulates.

Now the CFOs will only give you ATTs to go to ranges that they have authorized, and gunsmiths... etc...

So IF you could get the CFO to give you an ATT to go from your house to your back yard for shootign then your good to go :D
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so shoot from your deck or out the kitchen window :p
 
Paatz said:
The laws regarding the discharge of firearms within City limits and surrounding rural areas are unique to each city, but for the most part it is illegal to discharge any type of gun within city limits as per the city bylaws.
For example:
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I sincerely doubt that anybody is going to argue that they should be allowed to take their .45 into the back yard in the city and plink at cans (although that would be really fun:)). I suspect the OP and others like him live in the wide open where they are already shooting rifles legally on their property. We all know that this has nothing to do with safety, because clearly a handgun can be discharged safely anywhere that a rifle can. This, as near as I can tell, is a discussion relating to rural people and why they can't shoot handguns at home where they already shoot rifles.
 
leverboy said:
I sincerely doubt that anybody is going to argue that they should be allowed to take their .45 into the back yard in the city and plink at cans (although that would be really fun:)). I suspect the OP and others like him live in the wide open where they are already shooting rifles legally on their property. We all know that this has nothing to do with safety, because clearly a handgun can be discharged safely anywhere that a rifle can. This, as near as I can tell, is a discussion relating to rural people and why they can't shoot handguns at home where they already shoot rifles.
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Yes, the City of Winnipeg was just an example, but rural areas have their own regulations, in fact the Richer area here is reviewing it's bylaws because they get a lot of people shootin' out there.

The rural bylaws I have seen are specific as to how much property you have to have by acreage. I have rural property as well, but I would not be able to get an ATT to go there and shoot. And since it has no address it can't be authorized as a safe storage area.
 
leverboy said:
I sincerely doubt that anybody is going to argue that they should be allowed to take their .45 into the back yard in the city and plink at cans (although that would be really fun:)).
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I agree and thanks for clarifying the parameters of the discussion.
There is much ignorance prevalent already or these discussions wouldn't exist.
Let's just sort out the facts. I certainly am no expert, but I can read and research.
 
I live on acreage (with farm status) and it's legal to discharge unrestricted firearms on our property... I might've discharged a handgun 'once or twice', but I always make sure to bring a long gun with me. I've also talked to the neighbours and they're okay with it, and they don't mind the noise, so I know they won't make a complaint.

(BTW, If this bothers anyone, then this entire post is a blatant lie and complete fiction.)
 
I don't even know how the government thinks people follow some of these laws. Yah you have 400 acres but no you can't shoot that tiny handgun. This country make my head spin and then the people that admit they break the law on here. :HR:
 
woodchopper said:
Wrong



you can discharge your restricted firearms where ever it is legal to discharge a non-restricted firearm.

HOWEVER you need an ATT to take your restricted firearms out of your house (residence) and it must be locked up for transport to where your ATT stipulates.

Now the CFOs will only give you ATTs to go to ranges that they have authorized, and gunsmiths... etc...

So IF you could get the CFO to give you an ATT to go from your house to your back yard for shootign then your good to go :D


This is why ATTs are such a pain and the requirement to get them only serves to limit where you can shoot.
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I agree with woodchoper on this one ..I just cant find the section in the FA that pertains to discharging firearms I know I read it..
 
CompBoy said:
Course then Provincial regs kick in as you have to be clear by 50 meters if memory serves of a dwelling place in order to discharge a firearm. Which means they hit you with dangerous use of a firearm charge. :mad: Too many laws can't be certain of them all.

That really is the problem in my area to there are so many municipalities in my area that stretch their borders and have no markers it's impossible to be sure of where exactly the rules start and end.
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I am aware of NO such Ontario provincial laws prohibiting discharge within 50 meters of a dwelling house, or ANY provincial laws on discharge of firearms.

Except maybe the Ontario Log Bog and Frog Act that may have a distance limit for discharge when hunting (not target shooting).

If no municipal law has a dwelling distance limit (as in a rural area ) -

Not illegal.

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