Yes you guys have it even worse than we do.....
shooting on my own property?
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Yes you guys have it even worse than we do.....
Like I said, if it is not defined as illegal, it is legal. I can't prove something is legal. Everything is legal that isn't illegal. That's why I ask for documentation stating that "restricted firearms can only be discharged at ranges".
An ATT is just as effective as the gun registry. Only law abiding citizens are going to request one. A criminal is not going to ask for an ATT to transport his unregistered gun to the gas station to commit his robbery. The whole thing is crap, and what pisses me off even more is that most people in this country think an ATT is an effective was to prevent crime.
From what I understand is that in some provinces your ATT is good for all legitimate gun related activities. Ie, transport to any range, gunsmith, home from the store with a new gun, etc. This is a little bit easier to swallow than here in Quebec where we need additional ATTs for literally every other location for which we need to transport.
Legally, methinks you are absolutely correct Frankie !
If using a firearm SAFELY ,
I have found no law otherwise.
You will find the law quite specific in C 68. You just haven't looked hard enough. HInt: Try the section relating to Authorizations to Transport for a start and just follow your nose.
Take care
Bob
I followed my rather large nose and re read the authorization to transport section of c 68 - still no offence listed in the section -
Specifically , where did you find the offence of shooting a restricted firearm in a place other than a range certified for restricted firearms ?
I followed my rather large nose and re read the authorization to transport section of c 68 - still no offence listed in the section -
Specifically , where did you find the offence of shooting a restricted firearm in a place other than a range certified for restricted firearms ?
Notr far enough.
17.
Subject to sections 19 and 20, a prohibited
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwellinghouse
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized
firearm or restricted firearm, the holder of
the registration certificate for which is an individual,
may be possessed only at the dwellinghouse
of the individual, as recorded in the
Canadian Firearms Registry, or at a place authorized
by a chief firearms officer.
19.
(1) An individual who holds a licence
authorizing the individual to possess prohibited
firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized
to transport a particular prohibited firearm
or restricted firearm between two or more specified
places for any good and sufficient reason,
including, without restricting the generality of
the foregoing,
(a) for use in target practice, or a target
shooting competition, under specified conditions
or under the auspices of a shooting club
or shooting range that is approved under section
29;
(a.1) to provide instructions in the use of
firearms as part of a restricted firearms safety
course that is approved by the federal Minister;
or
(b) if the individual
(i) changes residence,
(ii) wishes to transport the firearm to a
peace officer, firearms officer or chief
firearms officer for registration or disposal
in accordance with this Act or Part III of
the Criminal Code,
(iii) wishes to transport the firearm for repair,
authorizing the individual to possess prohibited
firearms or restricted firearms may be authorized
to transport a particular prohibited firearm
or restricted firearm between two or more specified
places for any good and sufficient reason,
including, without restricting the generality of
the foregoing,
(a) for use in target practice, or a target
shooting competition, under specified conditions
or under the auspices of a shooting club
or shooting range that is approved under section
29;
(a.1) to provide instructions in the use of
firearms as part of a restricted firearms safety
course that is approved by the federal Minister;
or
(b) if the individual
(i) changes residence,
(ii) wishes to transport the firearm to a
peace officer, firearms officer or chief
firearms officer for registration or disposal
in accordance with this Act or Part III of
the Criminal Code,
(iii) wishes to transport the firearm for repair,
storage, sale, exportation or
(iv) wishes to transport the firearm to a
gun show.
gun show.
Exception for
prohibited
firearms other
than prohibited
handguns
prohibited
firearms other
than prohibited
handguns
(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), an individual
may not be authorized to transport a prohibited
firearm, other than a handgun referred
to in subsection 12(6.1), under that subsection,
except for the purposes referred to in paragraph
(1)(b).may not be authorized to transport a prohibited
firearm, other than a handgun referred
to in subsection 12(6.1), under that subsection,
except for the purposes referred to in paragraph
There you go.
Take Care
Bob
Bob, the above simply states the purpose for which an ATT may be issued, such as for 19(1)(a) shooting at an approved range.
Can you show in any way that this is a prohibition against discharge at the place of dwelling? It appears to only list a legitimate reason for the issuance of an ATT, and in no way be intended as a restriction on use.
S.17 says where you can possess it. It doesn't say anything about where you may discharge it. Where does it prohibit the discharge of it at the dwelling place?
Can you show in any way that this is a prohibition against discharge at the place of dwelling? It appears to only list a legitimate reason for the issuance of an ATT, and in no way be intended as a restriction on use.
S.17 says where you can possess it. It doesn't say anything about where you may discharge it. Where does it prohibit the discharge of it at the dwelling place?
Probably, but is your friend a member of the same shooting club as you?
If so, you could give them (along with the registration certificates) to your friend and they already have an ATT to go home from the club with restricted firearms. No new ATT would be needed.
Are you afraid to store your guns at home while you are away?
I have a large gun collection and my family and I travel a lot. Once your collection grows you'll forget about that each time you leave town. Just keep them properly stored and that is enough. You have a life to live like everyone else, someone could rob your house while you are at work, or grocery shopping, or at the range even. Don't get too worried.
Have a great honeymoon, and congratulations on the wedding!
If you can only be in possession of the firearm as stated how can you shoot it in any other place?
Take Care
Bob
If you can only be in possession of the firearm as stated. I don't understand what you mean. You can possess it at your place of dwelling. You are not arguing against that are you?
In order to not be able to discharge it there (dwelling place) legally, there has to be a prohibition. Where is the prohibition against discharging it at your place of dwelling?
would it not be because your dwelling is not an approved range ?
and if it is then you can go right ahead and shoot what ever you want....
which is why I said
and if it is then you can go right ahead and shoot what ever you want....
which is why I said
thanks bud. I'm sure it'll be great. gonna be gone for around two weeks to Europe so hopefully its as good as we hope.
my buddy has an rpal but isn't a range member. all of my guns are stored in a crappy tire ten gun locker that's anchored to a wall with tapcons. I'm not concerned with day trips here and there but I worry if someone has an extended amount of time they may get into it. just being paranoid I'm sure. only friends of mine know what I have and when were leaving and I've got a buddy who watches the house for us. trying to be safe but paranoid at the same time you know.
my buddy has an rpal but isn't a range member. all of my guns are stored in a crappy tire ten gun locker that's anchored to a wall with tapcons. I'm not concerned with day trips here and there but I worry if someone has an extended amount of time they may get into it. just being paranoid I'm sure. only friends of mine know what I have and when were leaving and I've got a buddy who watches the house for us. trying to be safe but paranoid at the same time you know.
What I mean is the law says where you can be in possession of a restricted or prohibitive firearm. Being in possession in your backyard isn't covered ergo shooting it there means you are in possession outside of where you are allowed under the act.
If you feel different or think you know better then do what you want and take your chances. I have a pretty good idea what a judge is going to tell you. Seems to be pretty clear.
Take Care
Bob
Where is the prohibition against discharging a restricted firearm at any place other than an approved range? We see only reference to transportation to approved ranges as being a legitimate reason for the issuance of an ATT. But that's not a prohibition against discharge at a place of dwelling. This argument got very circular last time it came up.
I wouldn't argue that you can shoot it in your backyard. I would argue that no one has brought up a restriction against discharging it within your place of dwelling, as impractical as that may be. Maybe out in the country you could shoot down in your basement. Or even fire an AR-15 out your window at a target in a field.
You can leave your unrestricted long guns in your friend's care without informing anyone else or getting any permission, because since he is licensed you can be "lending" them to him. Any restricted guns need not only an ATT from the CFO to move them to your friend's house, but you must also inform the CFC that they are being stored there.
When you are ready to get another gun, think about investing in a "real" safe instead. It might give you more peace of mind, and bolt it to the floor if you can. Not only do I want to prevent "accidents" at home with my kids, but I have invested a lot in my guns and I don't want to see them stolen cause I would miss them
and some are just irreplaceable.I am seeing your thought process, and you do have a valid point
and since I cannot, nor has anyone else really found a law on the books to say otherwise, your way of looking at it just could be OK
