How much fps, weight or diameter does it take to make a difference?

When the 222 Remington came out in the 50s, it rapidly generated a lot of hype. My brother, an excellent shot and good hunter, bought a new 722 Remington in that calibre and took it on a deer hunt.
Mule deer buck standing at 100 yards, boiler room shot, deer took the usual 50-75 yard dash from mucked up lungs and died.
Next day, mule deer buck, standing side ways at 100 yards. Another boiler room hit, deer made the usual dash, but never stopped.
A long, diligent search failed to find him. I suppose that bullet hit a rib and blew up, without penetration.
Shooting big game with a varmit calibre is just a gimmick, and should not be practised. Nor should a successful kill with it be bragged about.
 
I agree with Boomer and H4831, a .243/.25-06 is a deer cartridge, and the minimum for moose and elk is really a .270 Win, though a 30.06 or stouter cartridge is a better option.
The most important thing that can't be overstated is to use a good bullet, preferably a bonded bullet for large game, and practice, practice, practice so you can reliably place that bullet in the boiler room in hunting conditions.
 
A great pair of quotes from a fellow with thousands of head of African game under his belt, Kevin Thomas, of Kevin Thomas Safaris. He was a Rhodesian game ranger, and with game has done, and seen it all, on creatures from 20lbs to 15,000lbs.

Kevin Thomas said:
Ethically the intention of every sport hunter should be to take absolutely no chances that could lead to his trophy suffering a wound. As an example, the 7x57mm works beautifully for side-on lung shots on kudu etc, but if as you are beyond the point of no return on trigger pressure, the animal suddenly turns obliquely away and the bullet entering too far back has to now penetrate intestines or a full paunch, it may not reach and do needed damage to the vital organs. Your .338 and .30-06 would have a better chance of driving through that mass and into the vitals; the .375 H&H on the other hand will get there. There is nothing wrong with “using enough gun” – in fact ethical sport hunters should automatically aspire to that, and if we all did so, there would be far less wounding, and when it does happen the follow-up wouldn’t be so lengthy.

Kevin Thomas said:
Gregor Woods once wrote that although he has owned the gamut of rifles from .22 to .458 he has through hard learned experience in the field, settled on the .375 H&H, and when he arrives at a kudu or gemsbok hunt carrying his .375 if other hunters scoff at him and ask why he is bringing a rifle more suited to buffalo and elephant on an antelope hunt. His stock reply is, “Because everything I shoot with it falls down” – I fully concur.
 
A great pair of quotes from a fellow with thousands of head of African game under his belt, Kevin Thomas, of Kevin Thomas Safaris. He was a Rhodesian game ranger, and with game has done, and seen it all, on creatures from 20lbs to 15,000lbs.

Good quotes Ardent. Whatever I hunt, I want a cartridge/bullet combo that will work when everything goes bad not one that will only work when everything is perfect.
 
Good quotes Ardent. Whatever I hunt, I want a cartridge/bullet combo that will work when everything goes bad not one that will only work when everything is perfect.

Absolutely, I'm from the same camp, minimalism in a hunting cartridge is something I can't come to terms with. I follow Kevin's line of thinking, and show up for hunts from wolf & whitetail to dangerous game with a .375 H&H.
 
Even though I totally agree with the statement I'm not like that...

I have rifle/cartridge/load combo's that will efficiently kill all the different levels of game animals I hunt/shoot from gophers - moose/grizzly.

CC
 
Even though I totally agree with the statement I'm not like that...

I have rifle/cartridge/load combo's that will efficiently kill all the different levels of game animals I hunt/shoot from gophers - moose/grizzly.

CC

Same here. I don't like jack-of-all-trade rifle/cartridge/combo. I've got combos to fit whatever game and area I'm going to be hunting at and some for in-between. I'm constantly coming up with new "niche" category to justify new combos.:D
 
Absolutely, I'm from the same camp, minimalism in a hunting cartridge is something I can't come to terms with. I follow Kevin's line of thinking, and show up for hunts from wolf & whitetail to dangerous game with a .375 H&H.

You're such a minimalist. I show up with a .450-400 3" ;)

There is a very small area of black and white in cartridge selection for BG hunting. The VAST majority of the in-between is just a big grey area...
 
Same here. I don't like jack-of-all-trade rifle/cartridge/combo. I've got combos to fit whatever game and area I'm going to be hunting at and some for in-between. I'm constantly coming up with new "niche" category to justify new combos.:D

I'm a simple guy, so to me a big game rifle is for big game, a varmint rifle's not, and that's as complicated as I want it to get. I recall reading tales of the hunter in Africa who carried a small bore rifle for small game and a big bore for dangerous, and no matter which shot he was offered he had the wrong gun in his hands. Or the German hunter who wanted to be prepared for all occasions so carried a drilling, he fired the bird shot at the buff and the solid at the Guinea Fowl.

My preference is the bolt action rifle over any other regardless of the occasion. I've tried them all, falling block, lever, hinged single shot, pumps, semi-autos and expensive double rifles, and to me the bolt action is what I am most comfortable with, regardless of the job at hand, or the country I'm hunting in. If I'm packing a rifle chambered for a moderately powerful cartridge, the moose, caribou, bear, or wolf won't know the difference if that cartridge is a little smaller or a little bigger on the scale we've discussed.

The TSX almost makes bullet choice redundant, if there was ever a "Bullets for Dummies" book written, it would be only one sentence long . . . "Use TSXs for big game!" just as 40 years ago the first edition of that book would have said, "Use Nosler Partitions for big game!" So if a hunter is armed with lets say a light weight .270 Winchester bolt gun, topped with a low power variable scope, say a 2.5-8X, with the magazine full of handloads that are topped with 130 gr TSXs, that he can shoot well over all normal hunting ranges, could any North American game be harvested better with anything faster, bigger, or more accurate? It seems unlikely.

This is not to say that specialty rigs don't have their place. The man who intends to shoot big game at nothing closer than a half mile needs more; more accuracy, more scope magnification, more velocity, and more bullet weight. The guy who enters a thick stand of willows after a wounded grizzly can certainly make the claim that he needs the power of a big bore rifle and sights with a wide field of view, that can be picked up quickly . If someone said that a .338 would be a better choice for bison than a .270, I might agree. But then I own a .375 and tend to use it as a general purpose rifle, so I might be accused of being jaded against small bore rifles.
 
Good post Boomer. I will hunt Woods bison this winter west of Wood Buffalo Nat. Park, and feel even .338 is too light to be fair to the animal, I'll be using .375 H&H. It's also coming to Africa just before that in October for Gemsbok, Warthog, and possibly Elephant. I'm also sure it'll take either a Black Bear or a Whitetail this year for the freezer too. Not bad for one rifle, one caliber. It took Wolf, Cape Buffalo, Impala, Blue Wildebeest, and Whitetail in 2010 with multiples in some species listed there. If you don't mind the recoil, no reason not to use a bigger gun provided its trajectory doesn't put you at a disadvantage. .375, 9.3x62, .416 Rem and Rigby all shoot a good deal flatter than most ever need anyhow. Even the .458's shoot flat enough for easy 200 yard shots, so them getting slammed on trajectory as often as they do isn't fair or truthful. With 235gr bullets for plains game, my .375 H&H shoots just the same as any other magnum you want to pick out to extreme typical hunting ranges with regard to flatness of trajectory. With its optimum bullets, the 270-300gr, it's the same as a 180gr .30-06 for trajectory. With 380gr it shoots like a .470 Nitro, and is only 120grs behind on bullet weight and produces the same velocity. That's my kinda gun, and my kinda versatility. :)
 
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