ACOG that was sold to US Gov.

[Savage]

Thanks for getting me on the same page, I was posting from memory and I obviously didn't have the facts straight.

I can't help but muse your closing statement about the US.It seems that shear loyalty is not enough for the DOS, I'm not sure what the US perceives as "friends" these days? Clearly the GL's were for private ownership and I don't condone that they weren't exported correctly, however I don't see how they can champion the right of gun ownership in there country and then dismiss it in a similar society like Canada.

IMO the hypocrisy takes away from the "American" model of a "Free Nation"

In the US there Laws are taken seriously .If you want to be friends with any one respecting them is important and the US is no different . The US is by far not perfect however thier Championing of Fireams rights down there is like a a fashion show fashionable one day and not the next.
Back when all this ITAR BS started Canada could have recieved an ITAR exemption much like Poland did and several others countries as well ,The government of the Day in Canada decide that we did not require the exemption as it was counter to the governments policy on firearms

 

[mildot]

ITAR BS started Canada could have recieved an ITAR exemption much like Poland did and several others countries as well ,The government of the Day in Canada decide that we did not require the exemption as it was counter to the governments policy on firearms

I couldn't agree with you more.This ITAR "millstone" had seriously affected the ability of LE units to seek training in the US.As a FED any kind of impediment at my level is simply BS.Good discussion and thanks for the "heads up"

 

[twistedbrilliance]

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[Morpheus32]

You do realize there is a whole lot of ACOGS being surpluses by the US Army. They recently found out that the serial numbers are actually quotes from the bible. They have a law that calls for separation of state and religion. Thus they must sell them, this sight that you maybe talking about may come from this lot, IIRC they are surplusing numbers in the thousands. But, alas it is also an ITAR item. Therefore this might be an issue as well. My 2 cents. R711 out

Not quite correct. Trijicon provided a kit to remove the numbers. Nothing more came of it. The US mil generally does not surplus functionally weapon sights. Also there is no law about separation of church and state. That is an interpretation of the US constitution. You will not find any federal law requiring this.

The point here is the you buy a scope, with a life time warranty, so you check with the manufacture to make sure it is not fake...to your surprise, you find out it is stolen. Get your money back and don't get all panicked about it.

 

[tiriaq]

It wasn't imported. I bought it from a Canadian seller. It came from Vancouver.

What do you mean, it wasn't imported? It was made in Canada?

Someone imported it into Canada. Someone exported it from the US.

IF it is stolen US government property, and IF it was not exported legally from the US, things could get interesting, now that the manufacturer has reported that the sight has surfaced.

 

[jsullivan]

Someone posted something similar a year or so ago, search for the thread and see what his out come was. It may have been in this section.

ETA: here's the thread, he never posted the outcome.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410081

That was me. The OP on this thread contacted me to find out what happened. In the end, I never heard anything more from Trijicon or the US Gov't.

What I heard, and it's only a rumour, was these ACOG's were being traded between US and Cdn troops overseas and that's how they made it back to Canada.

I eventually sold that ACOG at a loss to another CGN'er, after having him read that post so he knew what he was getting into.

Most likely, no US goverment agency has the resources to track down a single piece of stolen property in a foreign country. That said, it wasn't worth the risk to me; I'm a US citizen and I travel frequently to the US, sometimes with guns.

The advice I gave the OP, and that I'd give anyone, if that if you absolutely must have an ACOG or any similar ITAR controlled item is that you buy it new from a licenced importer. It may not be the exact military model you want, but it will be close enough and save you the potential for any hassle.

Sounds like the OP is trying to get a refund and I hope it works out for him.

 

[Morpheus32]

What I heard, and it's only a rumour, was these ACOG's were being traded between US and Cdn troops overseas and that's how they made it back to Canada.

If it was not officially transferred to CF inventory and the export approved by the US state department, it does not really matter how it became "missing" from the US inventory. Having a soldier bring back optics that were not legally obtained changes nothing to the discussion, nor makes it any more proper. Stolen is stolen. The US mil/Govt is likely not going to seek to reclaim the optics, for the purchaser, the problem remains he has a high priced item with no warranty.