Combat kneeling position.

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Hey fellas,
I'm fairly new here, and have a question.

I serve on a tac unit that has a fairly strict C8 combat qual that encompasses cqb, accuracy shoot, mag changes (tac/emerg etc) from all positions.

Anyone have any thoughts on the kneeling position? Specifically on tightening up the horizontal movement.

This position can be sling-assisted, and is the standard combat....support elbow over front knee position.

(ie: the sturdy magwell in front of the knee position is too slow in this case)

thanks :)
 
The elbow of your supporting arm should not be resting on top of your support knee. Your elbow 'cap' kind of moves around. Lean into the rifle and place the elbow 'cap' forward off the knee, resting the back side of your upper arm, just up from the elbow, on the knee instead.

If you're allowed, sit on your strong side boot.

Just a few hints. I'm sure there are others with more experience and ideas.
 
Magwell over knee is too slow?Sounds like someone needs more practice getting into it.
In Bisley we shoot several matches from 100y where you fire 1 shot standing then drop to kneeling and fire another.Each exposure is only 3 seconds.
The magwell over knee is far superior to any other kneeling position for stability although if you are only 25m away it doesn't really matter I suppose.
 
Well Mr. Longshot (if that is your real name)
That is interesting. There are 10 kneeling shots. 5 at 100m, 5 at 75m. At the 75, you have about 7-10 (ish) seconds to assume the position and get off 5. It is in between two other positions/strings so the pace can be fast. I have no problems with the qual, but the kneeling seems to flatten my groups horizontally.

What is the secret of the magwell kneel? Any articles/pics floating around? Is the recoil recovery quick enough to get 5 shots off in 5-7 seconds?
 
The secret is to index your target with the front foot and some flexibility.

If you are fat or inflexible, you are out with magwell before kneel. If your armour is of a longer cut, this position will push up the armour against your Adam apple and have yourself choked to tears.

It is a stable position for flat ground and acccurate shooting - but once it is locked in, it is difficult to change direction and takes more effort to bug out. It can cut off circulation off the leg if you stay in this position for a bit longer.
 
Longshot is an outstanding shot, knows what he is talking about.
Kneeling is a difficult position; takes a lot of practice.
Wedging the magazine on one side of the knee, and the grip on the other gives about as stable a kneeling position as you can get. Excellent recoil management. If you are right handed, sit on the flat of your right foot. I'm over 65, and can use this position, but it takes practice. Can hold the position for quite a while.
Fusilier describes the more traditional position. You have a choice of sitting on your heel, with your toes bent, or sitting on your heel with your foot straight out, the toe of the boot making ground contact.
 
Thats good info.

The vest does restrict alittle, but the strings are over pretty quickly. There must be a trick to the standard kneeling that helps you hold the npoa, and keeps it from sliding left and right. I've got good foot, forearm and shin position, but that only really adds to the vertical hold.

I've searched the olympic styles but have found nothing.

I'll work with the magwell position for a bit.
 
I'd say this is a pretty textbook position ;)

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In the photo, note how the foot is straightened so that the arch in on the ground. This may take effort to develop, also the right boots will help. I use a modification of this position, with my foot rolled so that the outside of the foot is flat on the ground. Also, note that the lower left leg is close to vertical.
 
With practice, I hope to be able to drop right into it. I just shot a really good group with it though, and I've got a month to get quick with it. Thanks again gentlemen.
 
If there is time in between strings the best way to minimize horizontal stringing is to check your body alignment before you shoot the string.
Easiest way to check is to adopt the postion line up on your target close your eyes and take a couple of deep breaths.Open your eyes and see where you are aiming.
If you are not in the center of the target move your legs NOT your upper body until you are.Repeat as much as needed until you are aligned correctly.
If there isn't time enough to do that between strings I suggest practicing going from standing to kneeling and getting a feel for what your feet should be doing to find that
correct alignment while you are standing.Then practice getting into it quickly and getting a shot off.7 -10 seconds is loads of time at 75m to get off 5 well aimed shots.
 
I'm gonna work that position and take a pic of my qualification target. I'll post the pic on this thread.

Its a great qual. One of the most difficult one currently in use I believe.

Next, I ll be on here whining about the vageries of line-of-sight/line-of-bore vis a vis indexing/canting. lol I kid.
 
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I practiced for kneeling by lining up with the target while standing.
Closing my eyes and assuming the kneeling.
When I open my eyes I am aligned or not.
I note if I am left or right and stand.
I move my feet, hips and shoulders left or right to correct and close my eyes and repeat.

When I am addressing my target correctly when I open my eyes in the kneeling I am lined up on the target.
 
Longshot said:
Haha!Nice.That was on the moving target range if I remember correctly?
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Yup, looks to be the Advanced mover! Great match!

Best advice for a kneeling position is to practice it enough so your muscle memory is developed to a point that you no longer look to the ground to ensure that you are in a proper and comfortable position.

Spend a 10-15 mins a day getting in and out of the position and it will become second nature to you. Once that has occurred, then you can concentrate on everything else.
 
Unless you are a gurkha the squatting is really hard to get used to especially with body armour and tac gear.I find there is just too much stuff up front which then forces be backwards and off balance and then I feel like I need to be on the balls of my feet to be balanced which isn't very stable for making small groups.
 
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